Talk:L. J. Hanifan/Draft

Acknowledgements

This seems like an appropriate place to publicly acknowledge the many contributions to this article by Michael C. Johanek at the University of Pennsylvania School of Education. Although my name appears on most of the edits of this piece, Mike has been supplying me with a steady steam of new information on Hanifan beyond what was originally available in the West Virginia Archives. Also not to be forgotten is Robert Putnam's original reminder to a world that had long ago left memory of Hanifan's contributions behind in his book, Bowling Alone. Had it not been for Bob, Mike would not be digging and I would not be posting!

Roger Lohmann 15:10, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

A Powerful Medium

When I first began this particular project (the entry was created on January 18, 2008), there were NO Google hits on Mr. Hanifan. (I know. I checked.) This morning (2-18-09) Google notes 5,120 hits. Although such growth is extremely modest by internet standards - some sites have attracted millions of users in that amount of time - it is, nevertheless very gratifying to see the impact that this one small posting has apparently had in bring back into public view the important contribution of a man completely lost to history. And, of course, the irony is that in the Google listing, the Wikipedia entry, taken lock, stock and barrel from CZ and only remaining current when it is updated from here, ranks above it in the search! Go figure.

Roger Lohmann 15:10, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Sometimes good things happen! As of today (10-3-09) there are 9,930 hits on Hanifan, and this CZ article has replaced the Wikipedia copy at the top of the stack! (A very minor listing on my personal web server has moved into second, with W coming in 3rd!

Roger Lohmann 20:53, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Advancing this article

Since the social capital article is being considered for Approval, what would be needed to bring its parent into approval readiness? Are there wikilinks that should exist in both articles? Are Hanifan's works clearly linked to their effects? Howard C. Berkowitz 23:50, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

The links are there to and from Social Capital, but if there are others that should be put in place, I'd be in favor. Roger Lohmann 00:14, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree it is probably time to move this one to Approval; this is virtually everything that is known about Hanifan, and I'm not aware of anything in the pipelines, but if something shows up we can do a revision. Roger Lohmann 00:14, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

article's title

Hi Roger, shouldn't this article be Moved to L.J. Hanifan? We don't have P.G. (Pelham Grantville) Wodehouse or William T. (Big Bill) Tilden or any other article to my knowledge that is titled like this one.... Hayford Peirce 23:40, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

My initial reaction is that if the P.G. Wodehouse and Big Bill Tilden articles aren't titled that way, they should be! How about if we make a redirect page with your preferred name?Roger Lohmann 00:09, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, redirects are necessary, of course, but I just don't think *any* other articles in CZ are titled the way this one is. Hayford Peirce 01:46, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Toward Approval

This version of this article is endorsed by User:Howard C. Berkowitz in a single editor approval and is set for June 21, 2010. Please feel free to continue to make changes as necessary and if still agreeable to Howard, he can update the version number to the version that he can endorse. Unless the template is removed by any editor, this article will be locked on June 21, 2010. D. Matt Innis 02:34, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I thought I put in the most recent version. Howard C. Berkowitz 02:50, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I will not approve this article with this name. Maybe Matt will, but, if so, I think he would be mistaken to do so. Hayford Peirce 02:59, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

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If you look at:

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Naming_Conventions

you will find TWO reasons why the title of this article is not acceptable:

Punctuation. Do not use punctuation in an article title. Dashes, hyphens, colons, semi-colons, parentheses, periods, and commas should be avoided in article titles unless excepted. There are four exceptions to this policy: (1) a disambiguation title should use parenthesis (see below); (2) geographical place names (e.g., Anchorage, Alaska); (3) artistic works shall be rendered exactly as produced (e.g., William Faulkner's Absalom, Absalom!, Willa Cather's O Pioneers!); (4) Initials if used as common name (e.g., J. R. R. Tolkien). Note also that initials are spaced (we prefer J. R. R. Tolkien to J.R.R. Tolkien).

It has parentheses in the title, and there are no spaces between the initials.

This, in my judgment, is not a question of Editorial judgment -- it is a question of the Constabulary enforcing the guidelines. Hayford Peirce 03:10, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

(EC)Howard, you used the diff version of the article rather than the permanent link to the current version. Using the diff version makes it difficult to tell if you endorse the last version or the one before. I agree it's a slight difference and I figured that was the version you wanted.

(EC)Hayford, it is not up to a constable to question the judgement of an editor. If there are other editors that agree with you, then they can pull the approval tag if they want, or to work through the appeal process if necessary. Neither of those options, however, stops the process of approval as long as procedures are beig followed. As an author, you can voice your concerns as you have and I expect that an editor will give you his rationale. If it appears to counter CZ policy or guidelines, then the EC would be the place to take it up. Otherwise, I don't have any reason not to approve an article that three fine editors endorse. D. Matt Innis 03:14, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Hayford, I see your response that you made during our edit conflict and respect your interpretation of whether a constable should enforce the naming conventions. You make a valid argument that needs consideration. Let's take this elsewhere as it has nothing to do with this article, but more to do with constable authority. D. Matt Innis 03:18, 15 June 2010 (UTC)