Talk:Ireland (state)

IoNA and Council of the Isles?

Do we need to mention IoNA or the Good Friday Agreement institutions?

IoNA will end up being a footnote in history, I think. The British-Irish Council, though, should definitely be covered. Perhaps a 'Foreign Relations' section, to cover that, the EU, the UN and Irish neutrality? Anton Sweeney 09:38, 29 April 2007 (CDT)

Good idea, go for it Anton!W. Frank 12:39, 29 April 2007 (CDT)

CZ:Feedback Requests

This is a good article. To improve it, I would try to make clear where some of the information is from, particularly the Political and economic rankings section. It could be improved if some of the references were named - links 9-14 haven't been named (at the time of writing). Finally, the CIA web site has been updated and the World Factbook links must also be edited. The new link is here. Oliver Smith 14:09, 15 May 2007 (CDT)

Thanks Oliver - will get started on those tomorrow. Anton Sweeney 17:50, 15 May 2007 (CDT)

Demographics - journal citation

The following is the proper citation for the opening part of the 'Demographics' section. The citation template doesn't appear to work properly yet, so putting it here for the moment... (also need to find the ISSN). <ref>{{Citation | last1 = McEvoy | first1 = Brian | author1-link = Brian McEvoy | last2 = Richards | first2 = Martin | author2-link = Martin Richards | last3 = Forster | first3 = Peter | author3-link = Peter Forster | last4 = Bradley | first4 = Daniel | author4-link = Daniel Bradley | title = The ''Longue Durée'' of Genetic Ancestry: Multiple Genetic Marker Systems and Celtic Origins on the Atlantic Facade of Europe | journal = American Journal of Human Genetics | volume = 75 | issue = 4 | pages = 693–702 | date = [[2004-08-12]] | year = 2004 | url = http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=15309688 | id = ISSN }}</ref> Anton Sweeney 17:38, 20 May 2007 (CDT)

What is a Gael?

The article as it stands suggests "Irish people are mainly of Gaelic ancestry". What does that mean?

I would also suggest that, as this is an article about a state, it should (also) be included in the politics workgroup - in that way it is different from the island of Ireland and, for example, North America, both of which are geographical locations or entities. I haven't checked what the standard is for other articles on countries.

--Mal McKee 06:31, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Apropos the title, and states, I've written things as State of Israel and State of Iran, those being closer to the diplomatic usage. Those aren't always the formal names -- the CIA Factbook is good on them -- but redirects from other names are useful (e.g., Republic of Ireland, Former Yugoslav Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina). Howard C. Berkowitz 17:35, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I've had a look at both articles, and at the article on the United States of America, and they all seem to be included in the Politics workgroup. The article on the USA is also in the History workgroup. To that end then, I'll try to add this article to the History and Politics workgroups. That means editing the Metadata page, as far as I can remember! --Mal McKee 17:41, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

History of an entity before it existed

The article refers to history of the region before the state came to exist. I think the article needs amended to omit people such as Swift, Boyle and Berkeley, and the Book of Kells, all of whom flourished before the creation of the state. Mention of them belongs to an article on Ireland instead.

I have no doubt that the histories of Canada and the USA concern themselves with the history of those states and link to articles on the pre-European population with possibly a brief overview of the events up to 1776 (in the case of the USA).

Obviously the state was created in roughly the same geographic location, and therefore the history of the region before the state is somewhat shared. The history section should have the history of the state (I would suggest from the Home Rule period to the present day), and a link to the history of Ireland be included in the see also section. --Mal McKee 08:38, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Political and economic rankings

Some of this material needs a source. Peter Jackson 10:59, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

I've removed the section, Peter. It dates from 2007 and the original WP import (when importing from WP was allowed) and so is waaay out of date. We still had a few months of the Celtic Tiger left, then :-( Anton Sweeney 15:05, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Commonwealth

"Ireland left the Commonwealth after becoming a republic in 1949," says the Commonwealth of Nations article. There is no mention of that here. Ro Thorpe 15:48, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Republic of Ireland

I suggest removing the claim that the term "Republic of Ireland" may be, "used when necessary to avoid confusion with the whole of the island of Ireland." This goes against the recommendations of the AP Stylebook and other style guides. Certainly the Irish government has always objected to the idea that there is a "Republic of Ireland" that is not the same thing as "Ireland." If you look at the Irish U.S. Mission site, they use "Ireland" or "Irish state". The phrase "Republic of Ireland" is carefully avoided. Under the Ireland Act of 1949, the Ireland vs. Republic of Ireland distinction was official British usage. In 1989, the Irish Supreme Court ruled the state's name is "Ireland" and that "Republic of Ireland" is "not its correct name" (Ellis v O'Dea). The British agreed to stop using the phrase "Republic of Ireland" in 1998 as part of the Good Friday Agreement. Peter Kauffner 03:06, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

British media usually seem to say "Irish Republic" when they think it's needed to avoid ambiguity. Peter Jackson 11:36, 14 November 2013 (UTC)