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:As for silicones and clathrates, there are rarely any absolutes about any definition. There are usually exceptions to any definition. To me, silicones are definitely organic compounds and clathrates/hydrates are also definitely organic compounds. But it is too trivial a thing to spend time debating ... so, if you wish, go ahead and relist them in the Related Articles subpage of this article of you feel there is some special, unique reason for doing so. Regards, [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 23:43, 5 October 2010 (UTC) | :As for silicones and clathrates, there are rarely any absolutes about any definition. There are usually exceptions to any definition. To me, silicones are definitely organic compounds and clathrates/hydrates are also definitely organic compounds. But it is too trivial a thing to spend time debating ... so, if you wish, go ahead and relist them in the Related Articles subpage of this article of you feel there is some special, unique reason for doing so. Regards, [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 23:43, 5 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
::My reason for listing silicones, containing no carbon, is that they are of significant biological interest, especially in exobiology, specifically because they can produce structures equivalent to the complexity of organic compounds. Clathrates are also a popular topic due to the [[memory of water]], and in the blurry organic-inorganic matter of methane clanthrates, both a safety and an energy issue. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 20:20, 6 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
Revision as of 14:20, 6 October 2010
Began to expand this article
This stub article of a few sentence has been dormant since it was created over a year and a half ago. I expanded it a bit today and I plan to further expand it in the next week or so. Milton Beychok 05:35, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Silicones and clathrates
I'm perfectly willing to find I'm wrong, but I thought a silicone was a chain of Si-O-Si or, if you will accept stability only at low temperatures, Si-Si- chains with valence 4 silicon in place of carbon.
Yes, some clathrates are mixed organic, as with methane, but I thought the key aspect was the water "cage" around the encapsulated center -- and the first discovered was water around xenon. Howard C. Berkowitz 20:24, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
- Howard, first let me say that I don't believe that the inorganic chemistry Related Articles subpage is the proper place to list any of the vast multitude of conceivable inorganic compound unless there is a special, unique reason for listing a specific compound in that subpage. The same holds true for the organic chemistry Related Articles subpage. The place for such lists of inorganic or organic compounds is in stand-alone articles or in Catalog subpages ... or, better yet, left in books like the Handbook of Chemistry and Physics which devote hundreds of pages to such lists.
- As for silicones and clathrates, there are rarely any absolutes about any definition. There are usually exceptions to any definition. To me, silicones are definitely organic compounds and clathrates/hydrates are also definitely organic compounds. But it is too trivial a thing to spend time debating ... so, if you wish, go ahead and relist them in the Related Articles subpage of this article of you feel there is some special, unique reason for doing so. Regards, Milton Beychok 23:43, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
- My reason for listing silicones, containing no carbon, is that they are of significant biological interest, especially in exobiology, specifically because they can produce structures equivalent to the complexity of organic compounds. Clathrates are also a popular topic due to the memory of water, and in the blurry organic-inorganic matter of methane clanthrates, both a safety and an energy issue. Howard C. Berkowitz 20:20, 6 October 2010 (UTC)