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In my own military history writing, I do like to make references to other times and places, especially how we can learn from the past. There are parts I want to reread, but, for example, there might well be some comparisons, or at least links, from the mosquito fleet to, variously, brown-water riverine operations in Vietnam, as well as to more recent and general littoral concepts. Only recently, I learned about some fairly important river security operations in Iraq.  I will have further suggestions after ingesting more coffee. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 13:57, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
In my own military history writing, I do like to make references to other times and places, especially how we can learn from the past. There are parts I want to reread, but, for example, there might well be some comparisons, or at least links, from the mosquito fleet to, variously, brown-water riverine operations in Vietnam, as well as to more recent and general littoral concepts. Only recently, I learned about some fairly important river security operations in Iraq.  I will have further suggestions after ingesting more coffee. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 13:57, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
:I've intended to work more on this for quite a while. I had written most of this before I acquired Mahon's ''History'', which is the most important secondary source on the subject, and would like to rework the article using that source (much of what is cited to other works derives from Mahon). Some of the web sites I cited seem to no longer be available, and one or two of the sites are of unknown reliability.
:I wrote this for Wikipedia, which means that I had to avoid synthesis and drawing conclusions, but I did try to lay out the facts that suggest parallels with the Vietnam War. The choice of what to include and what to leave out is somewhat idiosyncratic; it represents what I found interesting, both from my perspective as a Florida native and from my interest in the history of Indians in Florida.
:I know that some of the sub-headings are awkward, and the size of sections had as much to do with how much text would fit in the window of my browser as it did with anything else. Another issue is how much to keep in this article and how much to place in articles on related topics, such as the Treaty of Moultrie Creek, the Treaty of Payne's Landing and the Dade Massacre. I was all for creating lots of little articles in Wikipedia; I'm not so sure that is a good idea here.
:I was able to find all the print sources I used in my local library and/or book stores, but I live in Florida. As I said, Mahon would be the most comprehensive source to look at. I was able to buy the 1985 Revised Edition (1992 paperback printing) in a book store a couple of years ago. I would hope that any decent U.S. university library would have a copy. -- [[User:Donald Albury|Donald Albury]] 21:07, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

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 Definition A conflict from 1835 to 1842 in Florida between the United States and various groups of Native Americans collectively known as Seminoles. [d] [e]
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This article is substantially the same as one I contributed to Wikipedia in October, 2006. It consists entirely of my own research and writing. (I originally rewrote almost all of the Seminole Wars article, including all of the section on the Second Seminole War.) Therefore, while a substantially similar version has been released under the GFDL, as the copywrite holder, I am contributing this version to Citizendium.
Donald Albury 12:11, 12 August 2007 (CDT)

Excellent article!

Apologies for not having noticed it until you put the related articles link under U.S. Army.

Speaking as a Military Workgroup Editor, it may be in striking distance of Approval. I need to see if I can get access to some of your sources from libraries here, or if you can suggest anything online.

It might be able to use some visual tweaking, perhaps with more subheads -- shorter blocks of text might be easier to read. {{TOC|right}} would clear up some of the whitespace at the top.

In my own military history writing, I do like to make references to other times and places, especially how we can learn from the past. There are parts I want to reread, but, for example, there might well be some comparisons, or at least links, from the mosquito fleet to, variously, brown-water riverine operations in Vietnam, as well as to more recent and general littoral concepts. Only recently, I learned about some fairly important river security operations in Iraq. I will have further suggestions after ingesting more coffee. Howard C. Berkowitz 13:57, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I've intended to work more on this for quite a while. I had written most of this before I acquired Mahon's History, which is the most important secondary source on the subject, and would like to rework the article using that source (much of what is cited to other works derives from Mahon). Some of the web sites I cited seem to no longer be available, and one or two of the sites are of unknown reliability.
I wrote this for Wikipedia, which means that I had to avoid synthesis and drawing conclusions, but I did try to lay out the facts that suggest parallels with the Vietnam War. The choice of what to include and what to leave out is somewhat idiosyncratic; it represents what I found interesting, both from my perspective as a Florida native and from my interest in the history of Indians in Florida.
I know that some of the sub-headings are awkward, and the size of sections had as much to do with how much text would fit in the window of my browser as it did with anything else. Another issue is how much to keep in this article and how much to place in articles on related topics, such as the Treaty of Moultrie Creek, the Treaty of Payne's Landing and the Dade Massacre. I was all for creating lots of little articles in Wikipedia; I'm not so sure that is a good idea here.
I was able to find all the print sources I used in my local library and/or book stores, but I live in Florida. As I said, Mahon would be the most comprehensive source to look at. I was able to buy the 1985 Revised Edition (1992 paperback printing) in a book store a couple of years ago. I would hope that any decent U.S. university library would have a copy. -- Donald Albury 21:07, 5 September 2009 (UTC)