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This is not an accurate account of the significance and development of international law. The assertion of individual responsibility for criminal acts in international law is the most important contribution made by the Nuremberg Tribunal, and it is not even mentioned here.
 
The article, like all of these connected with post WW II legal and political order, needs to be much more firmly rooted in legal scholarship. i am not opposed to the writing of primarily historical articles, but when they are dealing with issues of law they have to be done properly. [[User:Martin Baldwin-Edwards|Martin Baldwin-Edwards]] 00:19, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 
:No, it is not an article of the significance and development of [[international law]], which has its own article. SIt may be surprising, but this article is about the International Military Tribunal, beginning with what it was. It is in development, and is first intended to describe the Tribunal itself, and, as its first expansion, to discuss the convening of the Tribunal and its legitimacy.  Part of the discussion of the development of the international law aspects were going into the [[war crime]] article you blanked.
 
:I do plan to address some of the issues of its influence on law. The idea of individual responsibility is not unique to this tribunal; there is significant case law about [[command responsibility]], especially ''In re Yamashita''. 
 
:It would be appreciated if you contributed sourced text for your matters of concern, rather than generic objections. The article is still being improved, and, in spite of locked pages, be interlinked with multiple articles. If you are so concerned about [[international law]], there is an article on it, certainly sparse, awaiting improvement. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 00:29, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
==Reverted redirect==
Since I just found it with an edit conflict and can't see the history, I will explain my reverting a Redirect to [[Nuremberg Tribunal]].
 
'''Military and History Editor Ruling''':Such a redirect is ambiguous and not useful.  There were two sets of proceedings at Nurmeberg:
 
*The four-power "Trial of the Major War Criminals"
*Twelve [[Nuremberg Military Tribunals]] under U.S. authority.[[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 00:34, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 
== EC Decision ==
 
In answer to a Request for Decision (on the title of this article) the Editorial Council has accepted (EC-Rec-2010-001 of 17 November 2010 on motion EC-2010-011):
 
<blockquote>
'''Suggestion 3: Nuremberg Trials'''
<br>
The main issue for a top-level article are the trials and their outcome.
Articles on subtopics can be "Nuremberg Tribunals" (mainly on institutional matters)
and the particular tribunals (with their formal name, and the date added in parantheses).
<br>
See [http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/php/docs_swi.php?DI=1&text=overview Nuremberg Trials Project] at Harvard
and the [http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/imt.asp Avalon Project] at Yale.
</blockquote>
--[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 10:32, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

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This is not an accurate account of the significance and development of international law. The assertion of individual responsibility for criminal acts in international law is the most important contribution made by the Nuremberg Tribunal, and it is not even mentioned here.

The article, like all of these connected with post WW II legal and political order, needs to be much more firmly rooted in legal scholarship. i am not opposed to the writing of primarily historical articles, but when they are dealing with issues of law they have to be done properly. Martin Baldwin-Edwards 00:19, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

No, it is not an article of the significance and development of international law, which has its own article. SIt may be surprising, but this article is about the International Military Tribunal, beginning with what it was. It is in development, and is first intended to describe the Tribunal itself, and, as its first expansion, to discuss the convening of the Tribunal and its legitimacy. Part of the discussion of the development of the international law aspects were going into the war crime article you blanked.
I do plan to address some of the issues of its influence on law. The idea of individual responsibility is not unique to this tribunal; there is significant case law about command responsibility, especially In re Yamashita.
It would be appreciated if you contributed sourced text for your matters of concern, rather than generic objections. The article is still being improved, and, in spite of locked pages, be interlinked with multiple articles. If you are so concerned about international law, there is an article on it, certainly sparse, awaiting improvement. Howard C. Berkowitz 00:29, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Reverted redirect

Since I just found it with an edit conflict and can't see the history, I will explain my reverting a Redirect to Nuremberg Tribunal.

Military and History Editor Ruling:Such a redirect is ambiguous and not useful. There were two sets of proceedings at Nurmeberg:

EC Decision

In answer to a Request for Decision (on the title of this article) the Editorial Council has accepted (EC-Rec-2010-001 of 17 November 2010 on motion EC-2010-011):

Suggestion 3: Nuremberg Trials
The main issue for a top-level article are the trials and their outcome. Articles on subtopics can be "Nuremberg Tribunals" (mainly on institutional matters) and the particular tribunals (with their formal name, and the date added in parantheses).
See Nuremberg Trials Project at Harvard and the Avalon Project at Yale.

--Peter Schmitt 10:32, 7 December 2010 (UTC)