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I started a [[ | I started a [[Pearl Harbor (World War II)|attack on Pearl Harbor]] article, and referred to the [[Empire of Japan]], but am open to other terms. The Showa period isn't in your timeline, but I'm not sure how far the Imperial period should go back. The rise of the hyperaggressive military in the 1920s? Sino-Japanese and Russo-Japanese Wars? Meiji? | ||
Suggestions welcome. I also put a single link to [[Empire of Japan]] in the main [[Japan]] article. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 12:30, 26 May 2008 (CDT) | Suggestions welcome. I also put a single link to [[Empire of Japan]] in the main [[Japan]] article. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 12:30, 26 May 2008 (CDT) | ||
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:::Hirohito rather than Showa, if you will, but it still is needed in the timeline. There's no need for a separate main article on the Empire as long as I can link to the modern militarist period. I'll probably do some separate articles on the internal politics of their military and related groups (e.g., Black Crows, Strike-North, Strike-South, and the ritualized disobedience of ''gekokujo''). [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 13:36, 26 May 2008 (CDT) | :::Hirohito rather than Showa, if you will, but it still is needed in the timeline. There's no need for a separate main article on the Empire as long as I can link to the modern militarist period. I'll probably do some separate articles on the internal politics of their military and related groups (e.g., Black Crows, Strike-North, Strike-South, and the ritualized disobedience of ''gekokujo''). [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 13:36, 26 May 2008 (CDT) | ||
::::yes I agree. I have drafted an article on [[Hirohito]] that is 2/3 done. [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 14:34, 26 May 2008 (CDT) | |||
:::::While I'm still hoping to get much of my library out of storage, there are a few historic figures, as well as events, where I might offer something: Yamamoto, Anami, Onishi and the kamikazes, Yamashita, and Tsuji as a start Recently, the National Archives came out with a good deal of information on Tsuji and others[[U.S. intelligence involvement with World War II Japanese war criminals]]. | |||
:::::Incidentally, what do you think of David Bergamini's work? For more modern things, I found Karel van Wolferen had some insights that were quite helpful to me in working with Japanese colleagues. Some things cannot be salvaged, such as the PowerPoint bug that got my translated slides out of sequence with my English language notes. That was even worse than getting a mysterious package of Chinese books from one of my publishers, and eventually finding they were translations of one of mine. It took finding my name and the dedication to my late feline assistant. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 15:41, 26 May 2008 (CDT) | |||
:::David Bergamini has pretty well been displaced by Bix (2000), which historians really admire for its archival digging. [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 16:10, 26 May 2008 (CDT) | |||
Great job with the article so far. ([[User:Chunbum Park|Chunbum Park]] 13:00, 22 June 2008 (CDT)) | |||
::hey THANKS! [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 14:13, 22 June 2008 (CDT) | |||
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I still think this kind of naming, with a comma, is unnecessary (because we can list the article under 'Japan' using the abc field) and vague (does it mean 'history of Japan'? Japan in [world] history? History ''in'' Japan? [how it's studied, developed...]). I am minded to move it to [[History of Japan]] unless someone objects. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 05:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
:Done. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 10:33, 27 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
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Imperial period?
I started a attack on Pearl Harbor article, and referred to the Empire of Japan, but am open to other terms. The Showa period isn't in your timeline, but I'm not sure how far the Imperial period should go back. The rise of the hyperaggressive military in the 1920s? Sino-Japanese and Russo-Japanese Wars? Meiji?
Suggestions welcome. I also put a single link to Empire of Japan in the main Japan article. Howard C. Berkowitz 12:30, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
- The article always had a section on "Economy and empire; war and defeat: 1912-1950" (it did not show up as a header because of a typo). Japan has always had an emperor so there is no distinctive "imperial period", and historians always integrate the overseas empire into the main history of japan studiesm as the textbooks and monographs show. As for "Showa"-- the term has not really caught on like Meiji has among English language scholars and students of Japan--see the 2004 Hane textbook or the Perkins Encyclopedia.Richard Jensen 13:25, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
- Hirohito rather than Showa, if you will, but it still is needed in the timeline. There's no need for a separate main article on the Empire as long as I can link to the modern militarist period. I'll probably do some separate articles on the internal politics of their military and related groups (e.g., Black Crows, Strike-North, Strike-South, and the ritualized disobedience of gekokujo). Howard C. Berkowitz 13:36, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
- yes I agree. I have drafted an article on Hirohito that is 2/3 done. Richard Jensen 14:34, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
- While I'm still hoping to get much of my library out of storage, there are a few historic figures, as well as events, where I might offer something: Yamamoto, Anami, Onishi and the kamikazes, Yamashita, and Tsuji as a start Recently, the National Archives came out with a good deal of information on Tsuji and othersU.S. intelligence involvement with World War II Japanese war criminals.
- Incidentally, what do you think of David Bergamini's work? For more modern things, I found Karel van Wolferen had some insights that were quite helpful to me in working with Japanese colleagues. Some things cannot be salvaged, such as the PowerPoint bug that got my translated slides out of sequence with my English language notes. That was even worse than getting a mysterious package of Chinese books from one of my publishers, and eventually finding they were translations of one of mine. It took finding my name and the dedication to my late feline assistant. Howard C. Berkowitz 15:41, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
- David Bergamini has pretty well been displaced by Bix (2000), which historians really admire for its archival digging. Richard Jensen 16:10, 26 May 2008 (CDT)
Great job with the article so far. (Chunbum Park 13:00, 22 June 2008 (CDT))
- hey THANKS! Richard Jensen 14:13, 22 June 2008 (CDT)
Name
I still think this kind of naming, with a comma, is unnecessary (because we can list the article under 'Japan' using the abc field) and vague (does it mean 'history of Japan'? Japan in [world] history? History in Japan? [how it's studied, developed...]). I am minded to move it to History of Japan unless someone objects. John Stephenson 05:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
- Done. John Stephenson 10:33, 27 February 2009 (UTC)