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| == Pow-wow here == | | ==August 29th== |
| [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ What time is it now where?] --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 03:00, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
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| :I'll be back in an hour. --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 03:05, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
| | Just a thought - if we're going to be using the Metadata template widely for the subpages project and as an eventual replacement for the Article Checklist - are there additional things we should be recording or including from the start. Offhand, I can think of two things: |
| I'll be about during the day, hopefully will add one or two articles somewhere. [[User:Denis Cavanagh|Denis Cavanagh]] 03:46, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
| | * Under-referenced? A yes/no parameter, indicating whether the article has enough referenced sources. |
| | | * Needs image(s)? A yes/no parameter, indicating whether the article has enough (or any) photos, diagrams or other images included. [[User:Anton Sweeney|Anton Sweeney]] 09:07, 29 August 2007 (CDT) |
| I'm probably going to spend some time working on [[philosophy]] today (harder since I don't have immediate access to my philosophy books)--if you, especially non-philosophers, want to take a look and give me some brief advice about how to make that clearer and more interesting, I would love that. --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 04:04, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
| | : As I was adding checklists this morning, I came across several of our Catalog pages. Perhaps on our 0-4 article status scale we could add a 5 to mark it as a catalog rather than an article? --[[User:Todd Coles|Todd Coles]] 09:11, 29 August 2007 (CDT) |
| | | You're right. This is something we've got to get on top of soon, before doing the Big Subpagination. Re the status of catalogs, this is something we've discussed on the forums before. Now that we've got a metadata page, I'm inclined to have separate statuses for each different subpages type. So, a catalog can be external, a stub, developing, or developed. --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 09:31, 29 August 2007 (CDT) |
| === How to motivate people to work on in-demand topics? ===
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| One thing I've been trying to think of a way to do is to motivate people to work on the more in-demand topics, essential concepts and basic jargon, and also top-level articles about disciplines and subdisciplines. Can we brainstorm a little about that? --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 04:04, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
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| We could always do something about the wanted pages list: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Special:Wantedpages [[User:Denis Cavanagh|Denis Cavanagh]] 04:08, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
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| I'm thinking something like a game. Here is an example, but only an example. Points are, somehow, assigned to different articles. This could be part of the game: the general public can nominate and vote on topics, and this results in the ranking of different articles. Then, if I write an article that is at least N words long, I can claim the points for that article. Or perhaps the demand for an article becomes a multiplier, with each word in an article that you add--before anyone else adds a word, perhaps?--being multiplied by that amount. For instance, if the most in-demand Philosophy article gets a multiplier of 3.0, the second gets 2.8, and so on, so that if I write 100 words, I get 300 points, 280 points, and so forth. I think maybe the biggest challenge about this particular kind of game is to making winning attractive. How can we make people want to win? Anyway... --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 04:30, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
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| LOL, writing the article in itself is winning! <ref>trying to be as cheesy as possible</ref>
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| Dude, that's geeky! [[User:Matthias Röder|Matthias Röder]] 06:54, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
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| * Just added a short bio of [[Éamon de Valera]] to the [[Easter Rising]] article. Any "filling in" of the redlinks from there would be welcome. [[User:Anton Sweeney|Anton Sweeney]]
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| ** Anton, I looked at the list of biographies on [[Easter Rising]] (nice work), and I would actually have you do one of two things: (1) create a "catalog" subpage--a catalog of the key rebels of the Easter Rising (see [[CZ:Tables]], may be renamed [[CZ:Catalogs]]); or (2) simply move each of the mini-bios you have their to the red-linked articles, as I did for [[Éamon de Valera]]. (Yes! Created a new article today!) The point is that articles are narratives, not lists. On this latter point, see [[CZ:Article Mechanics]], there is a section exactly about this. --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 07:11, 15 August 2007 (CDT) P.S. One or two n's in "Eamon"? Google recommends two.
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| ***Actually that's [[Denis Cavanagh|Denis's]] work, not mine :-) Option 2 (as Denis has now done) would be the way to go, I think, as these people would all merit substantial articles in their own right. Google is wrong. Eamonn can be spelt with one or two "n"s; two is more usual, but de Valera always spelt his name with one. [[User:Anton Sweeney|Anton Sweeney]] 08:47, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
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| * Also - do we have anyone willing to start work on [[Viking]]s? Just so happens that there's a Viking longship moored about a ten minute walk from me, it having arrived in [[Dublin]] yesterday after sailing from [[Denmark]]. I aim to take some photos and upload them over the next couple of days. [[User:Anton Sweeney|Anton Sweeney]] 06:02, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
| | I could do with all the help I can find on the [[Ulster Unionism]] article. Thanks. [[User:Denis Cavanagh|Denis Cavanagh]] 09:29, 29 August 2007 (CDT) |
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| A Vikings article would be very good actually, considering that Longship is in Dublin. Whereabouts exactly is it? I lived very close to Wood Quay last year. [[User:Denis Cavanagh|Denis Cavanagh]] 06:16, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
| | OK...re [[Image:The Lads.jpg]], it says it's copyrighted; did we get permission to use? --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 09:32, 29 August 2007 (CDT) |
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| :Definitely today and posibly tomorrow, its moored between Butt Bridge and the new pedestrian bridge, just down from the Custom House. After that, I think its being brought up to Collins Barracks. [[User:Anton Sweeney|Anton Sweeney]] 06:38, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
| | Direct permission? I don't really know... Its from a newspaper though, its an image of two political leaders of a political entity.. [[User:Denis Cavanagh|Denis Cavanagh]] 09:53, 29 August 2007 (CDT) |
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| ::I'm sure if you upload those pix, somebody will make an article for them! --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 07:12, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
| | So you think that any photograph taken of any political leaders is therefore in the public domain? --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 09:58, 29 August 2007 (CDT) |
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| === My WWishlist ===
| | I'm not sure to be honest. I guess in a perfect world copyright laws wouldn't exist period, that knowledge would be exchanged in pretty much the same way this place operates. To be honest whenever I have uploaded an image I haven't had the foggiest what most of the different licences meant. Please delete any that are in breach of the law, and my apologies [[User:Denis Cavanagh|Denis Cavanagh]] 10:16, 29 August 2007 (CDT) |
| #The first order of [[business]] is the fact that [[Business]] is in such a woeful state on CZ and I am going to add some in there now. Anyone wanna pitch in? My strict speciality is [[marketing]] rather than purely [[business]] so anyone's own thoughts on talk page there and '''in the article itself''' can only help lift it up off the floor where it lies sadly at present.
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| #I have been working on several [[GLBT]] articles with a bit of much appreciated input over at [[Gay (word)]] and would be very grateful if people wanted to leave their thoughts on the talk pages of [[User:Ian_Johnson#GLBT_issues|any of these articles]] about how they personally think they can be improved. ''Even better'', leave your thoughts on any of the articles themselves as edits to these articles. '''Jump right in!'''
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| #In relation to [[Gay community]] - I made the redirect to [[Gay community/Draft]] which I thought was the correct thing to do but am now not sure if that is correct, as some other non-approved articles using similar format eg [[Edward_I]] have a different draft page, which I find confusing. Grateful to learn what the correct procedure is as I am about to use the subpages2 format on a number of articles and need to make sure I don't stuff it up.
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| ::: Ian, I haven't messed with the subpages yet, but it's my understanding that the draft page is really only to be used if the article is approved. So, I think what you want to do is remove the redirect and continue having the main article located at [[Gay community]].--[[User:Todd Coles|Todd Coles]] 08:33, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
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| #This is minor but important all at once and has been bugging me for weeks here. How ''do'' you all get that little sideway arrow to appear in the edit summary instead of just the text I currently write in. It looks both elegant and useful.
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| #I have little time today as a friend has decided to hit town tonight at short notice, but am going to pop in when I can. Hope to see lots of edits and comments on the [[User:Ian_Johnson|bluelinks in my list]]. If this page can live past today at all somehow I can gladly try in coming days to revisit topics and articles others are looking for help with.
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| Have a nice WWednesday! --[[User:Ian Johnson|Ian Johnson]] 06:05, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
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| | :Unfortunately, that image, while rapidly becoming iconic, is indeed copyrighted and we haven't obtained permission for its use (I've therefore deleted it). I agree that checking the correct license is in use and/or obtaining the necessary permission is a pain - but its a necessary one, for various reasons including legal ones and the protection of CZ's reputation. Most of the time, though, it only involves sending an email or two. [[User:Anton Sweeney|Anton Sweeney]] 10:27, 29 August 2007 (CDT) |
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| Recently there was a discussion about biased writing of encylcopedia articles by relatives. The issue was discussed at [[TI_Talk:Tale_Ognenovski]]. The case of this article has been resolved, but still some fundamental questions should be discussed. Some interesting aspects were brought up by [[User:Hayford Peirce]] and I would like to quote from his remarks on the above mentioned talk page:
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| | Quick poll: what should I personally be "leading the charge" on next? See [[User:Larry Sanger]], "Sanger's Dashboard." --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 09:58, 29 August 2007 (CDT) |
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| | Nobody answered so I went ahead and finished [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,1179.0.html this,] which I had been working on for a few days. Let me know what you think! --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 12:00, 29 August 2007 (CDT) |
| But I don't agree that it's impossible, or a breach of ethics, for a relative to write a bio article -- in many cases they naturally have more information available. True, they will have to keep original, unsourced research of out it ("Few people are aware of it, for it was a closely guarded family secret, but President Smith snored so loudly that...etc.), but they also have a legitmate interest in the subject and, if they can write in an objective, unbiased way, I see no reason why they shouldn't contribute. My own uncle, Waldo Peirce, was once a prominent American painter and well-known character. After his death in 1970 he has more or less vanished from the face of the artistic earth. There's an article in WP that I did about him that I am now entirely rewriting for CZ -- the new one will be longer, will have expert appraisals, sources, references, and far more footnotes, and will be somewhat more scholarly. I think it ought to be allowed to stand here, but, of course, if consensus feels I should, I will put it into a draft page for consideration. You can check out the WP article here -- it's been hacked at, of course, by other WP "editors", sigh, but even as it stands, I think it's an acceptable CZ article, with, perhaps, a little judicious editing of some overly colorful adjectives....
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| * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldo_Peirce
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| | | * [[CZ:Weekly Wiki/August 15, 2007|August 15, 2007]] |
| Needless to say, I have no financial interest in anything mentioned in the bio. That, obviously, is a no-no, but, having said that, I think that, overall, there should *not* be a blanket ban on articles written by relatives, or contributed to by them. It should be decided case by case -- I don't think this is an issue that is going to arise very often. Hayford Peirce 11:07, 14 August 2007 (CDT)"
| | * [[CZ:Weekly Wiki/August 22, 2007|August 22, 2007]] |
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| What is our opinion? [[User:Matthias Röder|Matthias Röder]] 07:34, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
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| Is the #citizendium IRC channel on the Freenode network an official part of Citizendium? If so (or even if not), does anyone foresee any use for it in an official capacity? It has been more or less empty over the last few weeks (I've hung around in there just to see what, if anything, was going on). I think it ''could'' be a useful tool for informal quick discussion and feedback but I also see that many authors/editors might not be familiar enough with the technology/tools to use it or people might be concerned that it might take people away from using the talk pages. Anyway, I thought I'd mention it here in case people do want to make use of it or discourage use of it. [[User:Mark Jones|Mark Jones]] 07:44, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
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| As long as it remains totally informal, and not "required reading," I don't have a problem with it. I even thought of making a "meeting" on the IRC channel, but I think that ultimately it's better to use a wiki page for this sort of discussion, if for no other reason than that it's a lot easier to link to articles--and there's no learning curve. --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 08:01, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
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| Looks like I'm going to be busier than I thought today, so I'm just popping in to post this between time slots. I should still be on off and on to help out. I would appriciate any comments, edits, copyedits, whatever, to any of the articles that I have created (linked on my user page). I'm new to the encyclopedia writing and I haven't written a paper since college, and really just want to make sure I'm on the right track and what, in general, I might need to focus on more. Thanks! --[[User:Todd Coles|Todd Coles]] 08:27, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
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| == See also == | | == See also == |
| * [[CZ:Monthly Write-a-Thon|Monthly Write-a-Thon]] | | * [[CZ:Monthly Write-a-Thon|Monthly Write-a-Thon]] |
| * [[CZ:Article of the Week|Article of the Week]] | | * [[CZ:Article of the Week|Article of the Week]] |
| * [[CZ:New Article of the Week|New Article of the Week]] | | * [[Archive:New Draft of the Week|New Article of the Week]] |
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This page has been archived.
- We tried it out, it wasn't too bad, but the idea "didn't have legs."
What's the Weekly Wiki?
It's an informal meeting/workshop/get-together, in which we can (once a week) expect to be able to interact with other Citizens in something closer to real-time. So you can announce your new articles; request help with articles; ask questions about policy or the software; introduce proposals; generally chat; etc.
When?
Wednesdays when there's no Write-a-Thon, at:
- Wednesday UTC 0900 (= 7 PM Sydney)
- Wednesday UTC 1800 (= 7 PM London, 8 PM Paris)
- Thursday UTC 0100 (= Wednesday 6 PM California, 9 PM New York)
We'll say that the Weekly Wiki happens for two hours beginning at each of those times, but anytime Wednesday, you can write on the Weekly Wiki page.
August 29th
Metadata
Just a thought - if we're going to be using the Metadata template widely for the subpages project and as an eventual replacement for the Article Checklist - are there additional things we should be recording or including from the start. Offhand, I can think of two things:
- Under-referenced? A yes/no parameter, indicating whether the article has enough referenced sources.
- Needs image(s)? A yes/no parameter, indicating whether the article has enough (or any) photos, diagrams or other images included. Anton Sweeney 09:07, 29 August 2007 (CDT)
- As I was adding checklists this morning, I came across several of our Catalog pages. Perhaps on our 0-4 article status scale we could add a 5 to mark it as a catalog rather than an article? --Todd Coles 09:11, 29 August 2007 (CDT)
You're right. This is something we've got to get on top of soon, before doing the Big Subpagination. Re the status of catalogs, this is something we've discussed on the forums before. Now that we've got a metadata page, I'm inclined to have separate statuses for each different subpages type. So, a catalog can be external, a stub, developing, or developed. --Larry Sanger 09:31, 29 August 2007 (CDT)
Help with the Unionist article
Hi,
I could do with all the help I can find on the Ulster Unionism article. Thanks. Denis Cavanagh 09:29, 29 August 2007 (CDT)
OK...re File:The Lads.jpg, it says it's copyrighted; did we get permission to use? --Larry Sanger 09:32, 29 August 2007 (CDT)
Direct permission? I don't really know... Its from a newspaper though, its an image of two political leaders of a political entity.. Denis Cavanagh 09:53, 29 August 2007 (CDT)
So you think that any photograph taken of any political leaders is therefore in the public domain? --Larry Sanger 09:58, 29 August 2007 (CDT)
I'm not sure to be honest. I guess in a perfect world copyright laws wouldn't exist period, that knowledge would be exchanged in pretty much the same way this place operates. To be honest whenever I have uploaded an image I haven't had the foggiest what most of the different licences meant. Please delete any that are in breach of the law, and my apologies Denis Cavanagh 10:16, 29 August 2007 (CDT)
- Unfortunately, that image, while rapidly becoming iconic, is indeed copyrighted and we haven't obtained permission for its use (I've therefore deleted it). I agree that checking the correct license is in use and/or obtaining the necessary permission is a pain - but its a necessary one, for various reasons including legal ones and the protection of CZ's reputation. Most of the time, though, it only involves sending an email or two. Anton Sweeney 10:27, 29 August 2007 (CDT)
My priorities
Quick poll: what should I personally be "leading the charge" on next? See User:Larry Sanger, "Sanger's Dashboard." --Larry Sanger 09:58, 29 August 2007 (CDT)
Nobody answered so I went ahead and finished this, which I had been working on for a few days. Let me know what you think! --Larry Sanger 12:00, 29 August 2007 (CDT)
Previous Events
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