User talk:Martin Niemann

Tasks: start a new article • add basic, wanted or requested articles • add definitions • add metadata • edit new pages

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wikipedia template

How about this Template:Wikipedia as a solution? One problem, as seen below, is that is does not appear to accomodate the space between your names. Do you know a way around that problem?. Chris Day (Talk) 13:09, 5 February 2007 (CST)

Example of template use on this page follows:

Martin Niemann

OK, forget the above, I have just updated the tempalte so it can be used with the following format: {{Wikipedia|Article Name}}. See below for a test using biology as an example. Chris Day (Talk) 13:27, 5 February 2007 (CST)

Biology

Thanks! You beat me to it! I'll get started inserting the tag on the relevant pages later tonight then! Martin Niemann 13:30, 5 February 2007 (CST)

No problem, i just read your user page and I like what I see. I have been attempting to preserve the wiki templates since some of them are very good. Likewise the images. The current problem is that CZ does not yet have a definitive idea about what licenses will be used or how hierarchies will be established. Lary Sanger is suggesting no categories, so the templates may become even more important as a tool for organising the articles. Time will tell. Welcome aboard. i look forward to bringing you all my template problems :) Chris Day (Talk) 13:36, 5 February 2007 (CST)

OK I changed it again. The previous version did not connect to the history correctly. I have changed it some more so that it adds the page name automatically, so we are back to the {{Wikipedia}}. That should save the hassel of typing it in for each page. Chris Day (Talk) 14:09, 5 February 2007 (CST)

I assume this works as intended now? I didn't add it before because it looked like you were tweaking it, so if I import anything else, it's clear for takeoff? --Jeff Raymond 16:28, 5 February 2007 (CST)

From what I can tell it works as it should now. I'll be working my way through more articles tomorrow. But I would say that it works as intended now. The parser function that Chris used in his final version is the same as I was using when I worked on it and it solved the problem with the spaces. As the template is not subst'd any changes to the templates will show up on all the pages anyway so in the unlikely event of a bug or a need to expand the template there would be no problems. As I said I'll work on many more articles tomorrow. Thanks to both of you for helping out and reacting so quickly to my question! I look forward to do much more work here! Cheers, Martin Niemann 16:37, 5 February 2007 (CST)

i have finished tweeking with it now. Feel free to modify it as needed. Chris Day (Talk) 16:46, 5 February 2007 (CST)

Who am i kidding. There is always more room for tweeking. It is now set up so it can do one of two options. See two examples below:

Test {{wikipedia}}

Martin Niemann

Test {{wikipedia|biology}}

biology

I noticed you had a few pages that the wiki content came from a differently named article. Clearly the old template by redirecting back to the same named article only was not much help under such circumstances. The current template will give you more versatility. Chris Day (Talk) 17:44, 5 February 2007 (CST)

Hi Martin, thanks for you work...from the Notice Board:

UPDATE: there is now a checkbox with a prompt, "Content is from Wikipedia?", found below the text boxes used to edit wiki pages. This checkbox now generates a brief, linked note at the bottom of an article: "This article uses content that originally appeared on Wikipedia." Templates are no longer necessary to generate such a notice. Please, to avoid redundancy, remove all instances of {{wikipedia}} and any other templates that might have been created for purposes of giving credit to Wikipedia. It is important that the database keep track of this directly, which the checkbox achieves more efficiently. --Larry Sanger 19:27, 5 February 2007 (CST)

Larry, I removed the template from the Jewish_Views_of_Jesus article that gave credit to wikipedia and ensured the radio button titled "Content is from Wikipedia?" was checked, however, there is still nothing in the article citing wikipedia. I do notice in the history there is a W rather than an N notating the latest edit. Is that all I should see, or is the option not fully functional yet? Chris Day (Talk) 20:11, 5 February 2007 (CST)

Done removing it. If the checkbox is used then certainly it makes sense to let the database take care of it and provide the proper link back to Wikipedia. That also solves the problem of the template being accidently removed. The problem Chris found which I also found when templating the articles presents a problem with automating the process though. Once this is fully functional maybe it would be a good idea if there was a way to manually specify which Wikipedia article the content was copied from? This appears to be something the developers are working on so I will leave it alone until they have sorted it out 100%. Cheers, Martin Niemann 00:11, 6 February 2007 (CST)

From what i read in the forums it appears that citing specific articles is not the goal or required. Chris Day (Talk) 14:10, 6 February 2007 (CST)

OK, let me talk again to Greg Mullane who has been working on this. Sorry about the ongoing bugs...well get 'em worked out. --Larry Sanger 11:52, 6 February 2007 (CST)