User talk:Rocky Zeckoski

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Martin Truex Jr.

Hi Rocky, I see you are fast at work! Great start. I would have started with Jr, though :-) I do want to make sure you saw the check box at the bottom of the edit box next to the save button if the article was imported from wikipedia. Also, since you seem to be ready to add several articles, check out the {{subpages}} template. Once you've done one, you can do them all. If you need some help, feel free to drop me a note on my talk page. D. Matt Innis 18:49, 29 June 2008 (CDT)

Ryan O'Hara article - why shouldn't it be deleted?

Hi Rocky,

I see that you have restored the Ryan O'Hara article, which was deleted by me back in February, acting in my official capacity as a Constable. I probably should have told you at the time what I was doing and why, but overlooked doing so. Sorry!

In any case, just as it says in the Citizendium general policies that we are not going to have articles about every middle school in the United States, or even any of them unless there is some outstanding reason that this particular school should be considered note-worthy enough for an article, there is certainly no reason to carry articles about 15-year-old hockey players in Prescott, Arizona. The New York Times Sunday Magazine had a cover story a week or so ago about a 13-year-old basketball player who is apparently so talented that *already* college scouts are beginning to take an interest in him. In other words, here is one kid in 25 million who is already, at his age, famous and coveted. Ryan O'Hara doesn't seem to me to be anywhere near this category.

If you think that this article should not be deleted once again, please give your reasoning on this page. Thanks! Hayford Peirce 00:41, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Hayford this kid made history in high school hockey by scoring 516 goals. That's a high school record. He has been noted as one of the best high school hockey players of all time.(Rocky Zeckoski 19:53, 10 April 2009 (UTC))

He is already made the AHL and is already making about 4 million a year. This article is legit..and you deleted it again why???(Rocky Zeckoski 19:53, 10 April 2009 (UTC))

I explained above, and sent you an email about it, and you never replied. Your article says he is a 15-y/o secondary school player. We don't need articles about that. If he is, as you say above, a big star somewhere else, making $4 million a year, why didn't you put that in the article, along with some references? An article about *any* professional hockey player has a place in CZ; articles about junior, school-players, do not. (You did not cite and reference any assertions about him or his skills -- for all any of us know, he could have been an entirely fictitious creation.) Hayford Peirce 20:02, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Hayford give me a break. I have been busy with my job the last couple of weeks. I had not planned to put the $4 million into the article until I had time. Ha. Fictitious creation. I know him personally and he plays professionally for the San Antonio Rampage. I have wasted my time here.(Rocky Zeckoski 21:38, 10 April 2009 (UTC))

Rocky, I don't see him on their team roster. I can't find him using Google searches either. You'll understand why Hayford and I and others have asked questions. The article seemed to indicate that Ryan O'Hara is a middle school athlete and this is not the place for profiles of such persons. If that is incorrect, then any article about him really needs to make that clear. You may know him personally but we don't. --Joe Quick 21:56, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

You haven't explained why you wrote an article about, apparently, nothing more than a high-school hockey player with no references or any frames of reference about him at all. It is not *other* members' duty to find out whether he actually exists or not, it is *your* responsibility to convince the reader that this guy actually exists. Have you ever heard of Wilt Chamberlain? Your article as it stood, was as if I had written a detailed article about Wilt, telling only about his high school career, without a *single* reference to the fact that he *then* became a famous college player and an even more famous professional player. An article about Wilt the high-school player would have been deleted also.

Citizendium has a policy called maintainability -- please read it carefully at http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Maintainability. It you substitute the phrase "school hockey player" for "high school" throughout the article, it fits your Rocky O'Hara article as it stood perfectly. If you want to write a *new* article, go ahead, but even there I must warn you that at least some Citizens are going to wonder about why you are doing it. For instance, the AHL is a *minor* league, not the NFL. I seriously, seriously doubt if a minor-league hockey player is being paid $4 million per year, either. Even if you do write it, with new material, referenced sources, etc., be prepared for other people to question its existence. I myself will leave it alone, but I cannot guarantee that others won't criticize it, and even ask for its removal. Hayford Peirce 22:13, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

For beginners football and hockey don't go together. It's Ryan O'Hara. (Rocky Zeckoski 07:37, 11 April 2009 (UTC))