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 Definition:  Study of past human events based on evidence such as written documents. [d] [e]
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Are you planning to discuss other methods with the satisfying depth combined with concision you showed for Ibn Khaldun? Or do you propose him as the general model.DavidGoodman 20:56, 2 November 2006 (CST)

Reorganization

Shouldn't this entire entry be scrapped and re-conceived from the ground up? There is no generally recognized 'historical method'. There are people who think that there is a continuous tradition of historical 'thought' (such as Donald Kelley), but they essentially disregard economic history or other efforts to make history more continuous with the sciences. André Carus 02:50, 18 November 2006 (CST)


We should, because this is really a horrible article. I rewrote the opening paragraph to avoid it being re-imported. I'll suggest that a rewrite follow some sort of a plan. E.g.

  1. (Short) Etymology
  2. Materials used by historians (types of sources)
  3. Methods of analysing sources
  4. Types of historical descriptions (subject matter, scope, holistic and historicist approaches versus subject matter driven, etc.)
  5. Methods of relying the "narrative" (following a course of events, or following a development of some idea or approach)
  6. Approaches to valuing historical descriptions

Ori Redler 10:32, 18 November 2006 (CST)


I attempt to implant the sctructure suggest by Ori Redler, for now parts of the original article are broken between these categories - these parts must be rewritten. The thema is ver yextent, and i start by rewritting some topics; i began by "Sources used by historians" and by "Etymology" (i also import the WP-article about this etymology).

L'Astorina 21:09, 02 Semptember 2007 (CST)

Wikipedia credit

There is just one sentence that appear exactly the same in Wikipedia. Does it formally imply that we check "Wikipedia content" credit box? Looks like a joke? Hmmm... Maybe we just reword it? Here it goes:

  • The historical method comprises the techniques and guidelines by which historians use primary sources and other evidence to research and then to write history.

--AlekStos 15:26, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

Reword it. --Larry Sanger 11:49, 7 April 2007 (CDT)

Developed?

Is this brief article about an enormous subject really "developed"? --Larry Sanger 11:49, 7 April 2007 (CDT)

I changed status to 2; when I added the Article Checklist, I didn't spend enough time looking at the article, but I do agree it needs more work, and keeping it at 2 encourages that.

Annalists

I cant find any Annalist- Mentality- or Microhistorical chools nomination? --Alexius Manfelt 05:01, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Subject matter

Just a thought, but it seems odd that the article says "This article discusses historiography, the writing of history by scholars and specialists". Surely it should discuss history and there should be a separate article for historiography since it's a separate (much more modern) concept. A Larter 12:14, 13 June 2007 (CDT)

I was just stopping in to say the same thing.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 12:51, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
well it's hard to compress all of human history into 2000 words. Allocate 50 words for the Reformation? 100 words on the entire 19th century? Calvin Coolidge once compressed all of US history into 750 words that were supposed to go on Mt Rushmore--he wrote the words but they were never chiseled in place. On the other hand we can map out what historians actually do, which is the goal here.

Cleanup

I removed a lot of poorly phrased Wikipedia stuff. Richard Jensen 06:15, 16 November 2007 (CST)

Continued Reoganization

I have tried reorganize the subsection "Types of Historical Description", by showng a generic division in the major subfields of de discipline. I think the apresentation of much specific subfields should be explored not in this article, but in the articles of specific fields. By the general division i have had needs much more improvement and explanations. Also, i retired things such Quantitative History and Paleography because i think was better put this in the subsection "Types of Historical Sources". L'Astorina 08:49, 25 November 2007 (CST)

please try out changes here first. And get a dictionary--repeated gross wrong spellings suggest superficiality.Richard Jensen 09:01, 25 November 2007 (CST)
sorry for the modifications, but that section was a remained part of that version that everybody agree it must change. And i have done no much more that simply organize that topics. A section was erased and substituted for the editor by "National Debates" withaout be quoted here, but a renarganization of topic is not possible. And again, sorry for my english problems, i could be simply corrected them. And where i can acess my modfied version? L'Astorina 09:15, 25 November 2007 (CST)

Whatever, i suggest organize that subsection "Types of Historical Description", by showng a generic division in the major subfields of de discipline, in place of a simple list of generic denomination. I think there is possible two divisions: fields organized by time and place, and fields organized by approach (political, economical, social, cultural, intelectual history, etc.). I think also Quantitative History and Paleography remains better in the subsection about Types of Sources. What about it? L'Astorina 09:24, 25 November 2007 (CST)

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