User talk:Richard D. Gill

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Hi Rick, nice to meet you here. Welcome to the club! --Boris Tsirelson 20:49, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Boris, it's good to be here! --Richard D. Gill 22:59, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Rick. A warm welcome by me, too. I am curious: What was the trouble with the Monty Hall problem? --Peter Schmitt 23:08, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Maybe this is a partial answer to Peter's question :-) --Boris Tsirelson 07:19, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Everyone knows the answer is 2/3, not 1/3, and you should switch. But why? For me it is interesting that most "ordinary people" are perfectly happy with simple and convincing informal arguments, while quite a few mathematicians will endlessly argue that the "simple solutions" are plain wrong and that the problem has to be solved by a careful use of conditional probabililty. Both parties - well, on wikipedia at least - are somewhat incapable of appreciating subtleties which I think are rather important, both on points of logic and on points of model-building. So I find MHP a fantastic case-study on how to communicate probability to laypersons, on navigating the interface between mathematics and the real world. I am presently involved in forensic statistics and the role of the scientist in a (criminal) law court. It is not trivial.

It's an interesting challenge for me to try to get something of this across in the context of collaborative encyclopaedia editing, but now in a situation where professional qualifications might be a help, rather than a hindrance.

I have written a rather opinionated and argumentative paper, the preprint is on arXiv, [1], and is about to appear in print. And want to re-present some of that material here. Richard D. Gill 08:13, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I am aware of the many arguments this question has caused and that discussion (mainly, but not only, didactical) is still ongoing. I meant to ask what type of opposition you met on WP ... --Peter Schmitt 09:33, 14 January 2011 (UTC)