Talk:Archive:Family-Friendly Policy

Started page with the basics of "articles we don't want". That should let us exclude some of the worst offenders while retaining otherwise notable articles. More later --ZachPruckowski 16:52, 12 November 2006 (CST)

Just a few minor edits "off topic": we won't use the absurd "point of view" as an adjective for "biased," and I will need convincing that we will have a notability policy at all. The question is only whether it is feasible for us to have a full (and therefore fair) set of responsibly-managed articles on a given topic. Thus: feasibility policy. --Larry Sanger 20:52, 12 November 2006 (CST)

Can this be rewritten without reference to a "notability" policy at all? I'm not sure we won't have such a policy, but frankly, a "family-friendly policy" page should use their lack of notability to explain why we might not have articles about porn stars. --Larry Sanger 00:06, 14 November 2006 (CST)

What I'm trying to say is that an article should not be included if the only thing the subject is known for is something "non-family-friendly", but a topic simply having some non-FF parts does not exclude the whole thing (ie Marilyn Monroe). User general information template

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I've previously thought you a little too restrictive, but in practice I would support your distinctions.DavidGoodman 22:42, 14 November 2006 (CST)

I'm still trying to figure out the scope of CZ here. I read in one of the e-mails, or on the forum, an argument along the lines of "there is no good reason to have articles on TV shows, movie stars etc. WP does this well enough and it is not necessary to duplicate". In that scenario would notability even be considered? MM might not be covered due to the feasibility issue and no other. Therefore, this concept of exclusion is interesting since it may well catch many family friendly article too. Is there an outline somewhere (blog or such) of what is feasible from the perspective of CZ? Chris Day (Talk) 23:24, 14 November 2006 (CST)

Larry Sanger is by nature an inclusionist, so he'd have no problem allowing an article on a TV show or whatever. I'm willing to concede that WP's might be better (because they may have more people interested in that, and so we can just pull their articles), but I think we'll plan on including them (although I don't always see the need for an article on every episode of a TV show, I think we can condense it). --ZachPruckowski 22:43, 24 November 2006 (CST)

Don't assume that WP is the best on subjects like this. It is not even the most detailed as compared to many fan sites. It has its reputation more for comprehensiveness than for detail. It certainly does not go far in the direction of cultural analysis, or even in the more specific aspects of video criticism--we should be able to do much better if the right people are interested. I haven't looked at everything, but the most thorough WP articles seem to be on rock music, though I haven't the least idea whether specialists would agree. DavidGoodman 22:27, 26 November 2006 (CST)

Considering this policy, how exactly are we going to treat articles on physiology that can be construed as "dirty"? Vagina, for example, would not be the kind of article a parent would want their child to look at, though it is a perfectly valid topic to write about in any scholarly compendium of knowledge. James Hare 22:07, 24 November 2006 (CST)

Fewer photos, more diagrams, for starters. That's one of those areas where we need it. At least that's an article that'll immediately be red-flagged by a school's filters (as it has a "dirty" word in the title). That's one we'll simply have to deal with. But articles on "average penis length of porn stars" we can do without. This policy is really a work in progress. I mostly put something down in order to have a page and put it on the "to do" list of policies. --ZachPruckowski 22:43, 24 November 2006 (CST)

Even I would not have such a page in CZ--although WP is relatively mild in comparison with the web itself, especially with its articles written in its customary bland style.DavidGoodman 22:27, 26 November 2006 (CST)

I've moved the following from the policy page, which needs to be rewritten since we won't have a "notability" policy (Larry Sanger 12:08, 22 January 2007 (CST)):

Topics that aren't notable

Some topics should not be counted for an article's notability. If a subject is notable only for one of these reasons, it should not be included. However, if an article is notable for another reason, it should still be included. For instance, Marilyn Monroe is a Playboy model, but she is also notable as an actress, and thus should clearly be included, and since her modeling is considered a significant event in her career, it would be mentioned.

The following topics should not be considered for notability:

• Modelling in a pornographic magazine.
• Appearing in a pornographic film, or web-based pornography.
• A sex act based solely on descriptions available from unreliable sources or pornographic films

human organs

"photographs of human sex organs" -- among the things we will not have--just added here. I still disagree; Photographs vary. Wikipedia has sometime been rather in-your-face about putting sexually charged images in when more clinical ones are available, but that does not mean they need be avoided entirely in appropriate articles. DavidGoodman 23:16, 31 March 2007 (CDT)

I would say an appropriately cropped image showing clinical examples of Sexually transmitted infections would be appropriate (something Wikipedia does not have a photos of in their article!), but we most certainly don't need an photographic example of an erection (something Wikipedian exibitionists make sure to graphically illustrate in a variety of ways), thank you very much. ---Stephen Ewen 21:04, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

BDSM and fetish

Should BDSM have an article on Citizendium? Also should "Fetishism" as a general term have an article on Citizendium? Yi Zhe Wu 20:07, 24 April 2007 (CDT)