Talk:Sjogren's syndrome

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I think this one should be titled Sjögren's syndrome and use the Swedish spelling throughout. --Daniel Mietchen 13:57, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I had considered that, but Medical Subject Headings does not use it, and, in general, I believe that should be our authority. Oh, it's reasonable to deviate from MeSH on things such as rearranging phrases to avoid commas (e.g., Hodgkin's lymphoma -- not lymphoma, Hodgkin's) and their tendency to overcapitalize and to make singular things plural.

We need to articulate the behavior of diacritical marks in searches and wikilinks. If they are ignored, I don't have a problem, but if a search without them will miss, I think general user convenience trumps language. In your example, Sjögren's syndrome is a redlink, indicating diacritics are considered in wikilinking. Howard C. Berkowitz 14:29, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Diacritics are considered in wiki page titles, but the matter could easily be resolved by having a redirect from a common search term to the correct spelling (a simple page move would do that). MeSH frequently ignores diacritics, so I do not consider them authoritative for such matters. --Daniel Mietchen 14:38, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

If it comes between finding something in MEDLINE and having language purity, I'll take MEDLINE. I wonder if we need a medical informatics or medical library subgroup to develop a style guide here -- it's more than health sciences. CZ policy is needed. Howard C. Berkowitz

My policy suggestion would be that anything named after something with a proper name should follow the original spelling of the proper name by default, with exceptions to be justified on a case-by-case basis. --Daniel Mietchen 15:49, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I had left Sjögren's syndrome as a redlink, so as to allow for Sjogren's syndrome to be moved there. Your redirect from ö to o is not only pointing in the wrong direction (in my opinion, at least) but it also blocks the move I had suggested. I will invite further comment via the forums. --Daniel Mietchen 16:09, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

The forum thread is this one. --Daniel Mietchen 16:12, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

(unindent)I would not use the Swedish spelling for Sjogren's. The most common spelling is Sjogren's and to make the topic easily searchable stick with the common spelling. As a compromise I'd suggest using the Swedish spelling when referring to the doctor i.e. Dr. Heinrik Sjogren was born... Mary Ash 16:44, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, "most common" (even if true) does not necessarily equate "correct". And how do you know what the "most common spelling" is? I just checked Google Scholar for both ö and o, and they come out about equal (23,000 to 23,800), with ö articles spotting significantly more citations than o. --Daniel Mietchen 17:16, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Daniel, I'm not an Editor in this workgroup and didn't create the article name. Nevertheless, I have observed that one of the things that draws the most frequent comment is article naming and grammar.

From now on, I think, if I do have Editor jurisdiction, I may rule on an article name, subject to review by other experts. Beyond that, and on comma versus non comma and the dash after errant hyphens, I'm going to respond only if the commenters also contribute to article content or flow.

Incidentally, I was the project leader, back in the seventies, for the Library of Congress' implementation of workstations with the American Library Association/ISO extended character set. Diacritics were simply not used in search keys, and this is not a new argument. I would note that in DNS names, while nonroman alphabets are considered, diacritics are not. It's a battle I really don't want to fight. Howard C. Berkowitz 17:37, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Daniel there are two ways to figure this out. The first and most obvious is to do a Google search. If you did this, you'd find the spelling for Sjogren's Syndrome is what just wrote. Last night I discovered the Swedish spelling of his name. Second I have done extensive personal research on this subject and Sjogren's Syndrome was spelled just like this. For your review:

• Mayo Clinic
• FP Notebook
• AAFP
• Sjogren's Syndrome Foundation
• Penn State

Mary Ash 19:09, 31 July 2010 (UTC)