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#one member nominated by the Management Council, and
#one member nominated by the Ombudsman.
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My CUrrent Draft

This draft document shall serve as the basis for public discussion. It represents a compromise amongst the drafters, who may have different individual opinions on some aspects of this Charter.

Preamble

The Citizendium is a collaborative effort to collect, structure, and cultivate knowledge and to render it conveniently accessible to the public for free. It is built online by volunteers who contribute under their real names and agree to this social covenant centered around trust.

Part I: Citizenship and Editorship

Article 1

Registered users shall be referred to as Citizens.


Article 2

  • Citizenship shall be open to anyone who fulfills the basic conditions for participation as defined by the Management Council—including registering according to the real names policy—and agrees to abide by this Charter.


Article 3

Citizens shall not have their application to join or their use of the site blocked or terminated on the basis of their nationality, ethnicity, race, religion, creed, gender, sexuality, profession, education, politics, residence, age, name, or URL. Nor shall any official or governing body of the Citizendium discriminate in favor or against Citizens (except to the degree that such discrimination promotes editorial expertise), or any dispute be resolved, on the basis of any of these criteria.


Article 4

The Citizendium community shall recognize the special role that experts play in defining content standards in their relevant fields and in guiding content development towards reliability and quality.


Article 5

This article has been split into the articles 5.1 to 5.9. The numbering is provisional.

Article 5.1 Citizens shall act responsibly and in a civil manner: derogatory or offensive language or behavior will not be tolerated. Citizens who interfere with another Citizen's rights as delineated by this Charter or who violate rules established by either the Management or Editorial Councils shall be subject to administrative action upon complaint of the aggrieved Citizen, the punishment of which may include, but is not limited to, suspension from the Citizendium for a period of time, or permanent expulsion. Other administrative actions may be established by the Management Council.

Article 5.2 Citizens shall mutually respect their competency regarding any of their contributions.

Article 5.3 All Citizens shall be equal and no special privileges shall be granted except those granted in this charter to Editors and Officers.

Article 5.4 Citizens shall be considered Editors of their own user pages and subpages thereof, as long as content is not inflammatory or derogatory.

Article 5.5 All Citizens shall be treated fairly and respectfully by other Citizens, Editors, and Officers of the Citizendium.

Article 5.6 In cases of dispute, Citizens have the right to request the help of other Citizens or Editors.

Article 5.7 Citizens should expect Officers and Editors to be fair and impartial. Biased Officers and Editors shall recuse themselves from their official positions in any dispute resolution process.

Article 5.8 Dispute resolutions should be resolved on the basis of the evidence and not upon the character, point of view, or politics of the Citizen.

Article 5.9 Citizens shall not have any decision rendered against them in a dispute resolution process for which they have not had opportunity to have their say.


Article 6

Editors are Citizens whose expertise in some field of knowledge is recognized and formally acknowledged by the community. Official recognition of expertise — obtained through education or experience — and its scope shall be based on guidelines established by the Editorial Council.

Article 7 Editors shall assure the quality of the Citizendium's approved content. They shall review and evaluate articles and shall have the right to

  1. approve high-quality articles that treat their topic adequately,
  2. resolve disputes over specific content matters when requested,
  3. enforce style and content guidelines as established by the Editorial Council; and
  4. identify for discussion incorrect or poorly-presented content.

Article 8

This article shall be deleted.


Article 9

Any change in Editor status shall require a formal decision by the Editorial Council and may be appealed.

Part II: Content and style

Article 10

An Editorial Council shall be empowered to develop policy on content and style.


Article 11

The Citizendium shall welcome contributions in all fields of knowledge.


Article 12

All articles shall treat their subjects comprehensively, neutrally, and objectively to the greatest degree possible in a well-written narrative, complementing text with other suitable material and media.


Article 13

This article has been moved to its own section under interim guidance.


Article 14

Specialist material—including original research—shall be welcome within limits set by the Editorial Council. Specialist material shall be put into context with background information and non-specialist material.

Article 15

Articles formally judged to be of high quality by editors shall be designated "approved", protected and kept permanently available.

Article 16

The Citizendium shall remain free of advocacy, advertisement and sensationalism.

Part III: Organization and offices

Article 17

The Citizendium shall be devoted to transparent and fair governance with a minimum of bureaucracy. The Citizendium shall have five official positions: Management Council, Editorial Council, Managing Editor, Constabulary, Ombudsman.

Article 18

It shall be governed by two Councils: an Editorial Council and a Management Council.

Article 19

The councils will be assisted by a Managing Editor, a Constabulary, and an Ombudsman.

Article 20 (old 3637)

  • Each year, half the members of the two Councils shall be elected.
  • For newly elected members, the term of office shall begin on first of January for the Editorial Council, and on first of July for the Management Council.
  • Any Citizen may nominate and support one or more candidates for a Council.
  • A Citizen who is supported by another Citizen becomes a candidate by declaring the intention to serve for the whole term.
  • Any Citizen accepting a nomination shall retreat immediately from any involvement in the election's organization.
  • The candidates collecting the most votes shall be elected.
  • Citizens who received votes may serve as reserve members.
  • A Council member who becomes inactive or unavailable for a period of 90 days, shall be replaced by a the reserve member receiving the next highest votes.
  • In the absence of reserve members, interim replacements may be appointed by the Council concerned.
  • Any Council may propose a change of its size by an even number of members; this proposal shall be subject to a referendum held together with the next election.

Article 21 (old 3738)

The Managing Editor shall be elected by a simple majority of the voting citizenry during the same election period as the Management Council. For this election, up to four candidates shall be selected by the Management Council, taken from a list of Editors nominated by the community.

Article 22 (old3839)

Constables shall be appointed by the Management Council. The Management Council shall determine the number of Constables. Any Citizen in good standing shall be eligible for the Constabulary. The Management Council shall appoint one Constable as Chief Constable.

Article 23 (old3940)

The Ombudsman shall be nominated by the Combined Councils and appointed by majority Citizen vote at the same time that the Editorial Council elections occur. Any citizen in good standing may be nominated for Ombudsman.

Article 24 (old 22)

All official posts shall be subject to the following conditions:

  1. The term of office shall be two years, renewable. The term of any replacement shall end when the original term ends.
  2. No Citizen may serve in two offices at the same time, except that a Citizen may sit on an appeals board while holding another office.

Article 25 (old 35)

Elections and referenda shall be organized by the Management Council and carried out by the Constabulary, with the following conditions:

  1. Two weeks shall be provided for nominations and for discussions of the issues brought about during the nomination period.
  2. Elections shall be open for a period of not less than seven days. The duration of the election period shall be determined by the Management Council.
  3. Election results shall be certified by the Management Council not more than 2 days after the close of the election.
  4. Each Citizen in good standing—as defined by the Management Council shall be entitled to one vote.
  5. The nature of the ballot shall be determined by the Management Council, provided that any method adopted must be accessible and usable by every Citizen.

Article 26 (old 20)

This article shall be deleted.

Article 27 (old 4041)

An official may be recalled by two thirds vote of the Combined Councils.

Part IV: Community policy

Article 28 (old 23)

This article has been split into the articles 28.1 and 28.2. The numbering is provisional.

Article 28.1

The Editorial Council is responsible for content and style policies. In particular, it shall

  1. make all decisions regarding the content of the Citizendium;
  2. establish the qualifications for Editors and establish the procedure for promoting Citizens to Editor status, provided that such qualifications and such procedures do not violate any article of this charter;
  3. coordinate and supervise the Editors and their activities;
  4. encourage and supervise development and organization of the Citizendium's content;
  5. adjudicate disputes over content among Authors, Editors, and/or Managing Editor, and impose its decisions upon the content of the Citizendium;
  6. publicly set its own rules and by-laws for its meetings; and
  7. be composed of a number of members corresponding to the quorum who shall be Editors while the rest of the members shall be Citizens who are not Editors.

Article 28.2

The Editorial Council shall enforce its decisions over content by reporting violations of its dispute resolutions to the Constables. Failure to abide by the decisions of the Editorial Council pursuant to the resolution of a dispute shall be considered a behavioral infraction and subject to action by a Constable.

Article 29 (old 24)

  • The Management Council is responsible for the technical and economic resources of the Citizendium and its related websites. In particular, it shall:
  1. make all the financial and legal decisions for the Citizendium,
  2. develop all rules of civility and behavior for participation on the Citizendium which shall apply equally to all Citizens regardless of status or position, adjudicate alleged violations of the rules, and impose sanctions for violations of the rules,
  3. administer "User Rights" as defined by the software,
  4. where necessary, develop operational procedures to implement the powers and institutions of this charter,
  5. appoint and supervise the activities of Constables,
  6. conduct elections and certify the results of elections,
  7. publicly set its own rules and by-laws for its meetings,
  8. manage technical matters (software and hardware),
  9. establish and maintain public awareness of the Citizendium, and
  10. invite and establish collaboration with external partners on any matters relevant to the Citizendium's mission.

Article 30 (old 25)

Each Council shall

  1. have a quorum corresponding to the simple majority of its members;
  2. develop written guidelines to define and explain methods of communicating with that particular Council, including a mechanism that allows Citizens to petition that Council.
  3. be empowered to appoint delegates to perform specific tasks for a specific period of time (not more than two years) provided that the responsibility for the actions of a delegate shall always remain with the appointing Council.
  4. have power to adjudicate disputes in their core competency: content for Editorial Council, behavior for Management Council.
  5. have power to impose sanctions on Citizens for violations of rules.

Article 31 (old 26)

The Managing Editor has the following duties:

  1. to ensure — by means of executive decisions — that the principles and policies of the Citizendium concerning content and style are effectively and coherently observed. Such decisions shall be based on established policy where defined. Acts of the Managing Editor may be overruled by the Editorial Council with due process.
  2. to represent the Citizendium in its relations with external bodies, such as the mass media, and academic or non-academic institutions.

Article 32 (old 36)

Referenda may be initiated in two ways:

  1. Any Citizen may petition either the Management Council or Editorial Council that contested rules or guidelines be submitted to a referendum. Either Council must have jurisdiction over the contested matter. Either Council may, by simple majority vote, submit the referendum to a vote of the citizenry at the next regular election.
  2. A referendum may be initiated by a group of Citizens corresponding in size to 20 percent of the number of voters in the previous election. The Management Council must include a valid citizen-initiated referendum in the next regular election. Failure to do so will automatically pass the referendum which shall then become official policy and enforceable. This charter may not be amended by a failure of the Management Council to submit a referendum to a vote.

Furthermore:

  • A referendum must be written as enforceable rules or guidelines.
  • A referendum shall be decided by simple majority of the votes validly cast by the citizenry during a regular election.
  • Any amendment to and any change of this Charter shall require a referendum and shall be ratified if accepted by a qualified majority of two thirds of the votes validly cast.
  • Any change of the license shall require a referendum.

Part V: Behavior and dispute resolution

Article 33 (old 27)

The Constabulary shall enforce the Citizendium's rules of behavior as determined by the Management Council, which shall apply equally to all Citizens regardless of status or position, including Editors and those with official positions. In particular, Constables

  1. shall not intervene in matters of content, and
  2. shall act with reasonable pragmatism and leniency, and only in those situations where a behavioral dispute is clearly covered by existing rules.
  3. Constables shall have power to block citizens' access to the Citizendium.
  4. Any act of the Constables may be appealed to the Management Council.

Article 34 (old 28)

An Ombudsman is available to mediate any dispute. Agreements worked out through mediation shall be binding but may be appealed.

Article 35 (Old 29)

  • Whenever possible, disputes shall be settled informally at the lowest possible level by subject matter Editors. Specifically, the following shall apply:
  1. Any party involved in a dispute may contact the Ombudsman for assistance in dispute resolution.
  2. When a formal decision is necessary or demanded, the Ombudsman shall facilitate the presentation of the issue to the appropriate body, Editorial Council for content disputes, Management Council for disputes involving violation of the rules.
  3. All Citizens shall have the right to a fair hearing, which shall include, but not necessarily be limited to, the following: the opportunity to present one's case in one's defense, the right to be heard by a fair and unprejudiced body, the right to have others offer testimony on one's behalf.
  4. The Editorial Council and the Management Council may impose sanctions that result in blocking a citizen's access to Citizendium, removing or altering content, or terminating the citizen. The Management Council and Editorial Council may from time to time devise additional sanctions as appropriate.
  5. Citizens shall not have arbitrary or excessive sanctions imposed upon them.

Article 36 (old 30)

Appeals of formal decisions shall be possible when a disputant can show an Appeals Board that either:

  1. New information is available; or
  2. A technical error was made during the previous formal procedure.

Article 37 (old 31)

This article is to be deleted.

Article 38 (old 32) (note: this was passed in a 4 to 1 vote)

  • An Appeals Board shall consist of Citizens who were not previously directly involved, as follows:
  1. one member appointed by the Editorial Council,
  2. one member appointed by the Management Council, and
  3. the Ombudsman or his/her designee.

Article 39 (old 33)

An Appeals Board may render one of three decisions: It may decide that the disputant does not have new information or that the adjudicating council made no technical error and deny a re-hearing; it may affirm the adjudicating council's decision, in spite of new information or technical error; or it may recognize that new information, a technical error, or both has placed the adjudicating council's decision in error and remand the case to the adjudicating council for rehearing. If the case has been remanded for re-hearing, it is expected that the adjudicating council revise its judgment in light of the appeal.

Article 40 (old 34)

  • The Management Council shall create a procedure allowing for dispute resolution to be heard privately. Privately heard disputes forfeit their right to appeal on technical grounds, although an appeal will still be possible upon discovery of new information.
  • In some cases, either at the discretion of the adjudicating council or at the request of a disputant, part of a public dispute resolution process may be removed from public view. Such an exception shall require public justification by the Ombudsman.

Part VI: Administrative matters

Article 41 (old 21)

All Citizens, regardless of position or status, shall be bound by this Charter including its amendments, and no referendum or decision of any council or official shall contravene it.

In cases where local, regional, national, or international law voids or limits clauses of this charter or its amendments, all other clauses of this charter and its amendments shall still be effectual and be implemented consistent with law.


Article 41 42

  • As far as possible, special requirements of visually or otherwise impaired users and for responsibly exercised automated access shall be taken into account.
  • The Managing Editor shall intervene against article content that is inappropriate, in particular, if content
    • violates criminal or civil law or
    • is discriminatory or slanderous against persons or groups of persons, on the basis of religion, religious belief, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation or gender.
  • Violations of the Charter shall only be tolerated when forced by external laws.

Article 42 43

Material originating at Citizendium shall always be free to use, reuse, and redistribute — subject only, at most, to the requirement that those who reuse Citizendium content acknowledge the source of the material and make derivative works equally free to use, reuse, and redistribute. The Management Council has the right to upgrade the license version on behalf of contributors, but any change in license type must be ratified through public referendum. The licensing of content incorporated from elsewhere shall follow the conditions stipulated by the respective copyright owners. For all material, the applicable copyright license shall be clearly stated.

Article 43 44

This article is to be deleted.

Article 44 45

The official language of the Citizendium shall be English. Branches of the Citizendium in other languages shall share the same mission as defined by this Charter. All language versions shall require approval by the Management Council.

Part VII: Transitional Measures

Article 45 46

This article is to be deleted.

Article 45 47

For the purpose of the ratification of this Charter and the initial elections to the Councils, the right to vote shall be granted to all unblocked Citizens whose accounts were created at least 30 days prior to the call for ratification.

Article 46 48

This Charter shall be ratified if accepted by two thirds or more of the votes validly cast in a referendum for this purpose. The Charter shall enter into force on the day following its ratification.

Article 46 49

The Editor-in-Chief shall officially certify the ratified Charter within a week after the closing of the referendum. This act ends his term of office.

Article 47 50 The former Editor-in-Chief Larry Sanger shall be awarded with the honorary title Founding Editor-in-Chief in acknowledgement of his achievements for the Citizendium.

Article 48 51

The first elections to the Councils shall take place as soon as possible after the Charter has been ratified.

  1. The initial size of the Editorial Council shall be 7 members, that of the Management Council 5 members.
  2. A number of members corresponding to the quorum shall be selected, by lot or personal agreement, to serve shortened terms until the next regular election that is at least half a year after the initial election.

Article 50 52

This article has been moved to its own section under interim guidance.


Article 53

Addendum: Interim guidance for the transition period


  • As long as the administrative prerequisites for implementing the Charter are not entirely fulfilled, the rules listed in this section shall provide interim guidance to the Editorial Council, Management Council, and other bodies.
  • Such material may be modified by those bodies by their normal procedures, without a full Charter amendment.

License

Content originating at the Citizendium is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License.

Review of previous policies

  • The Councils shall review all existing policies and vote on each of them which falls under their realm, in view of complementing the general guidelines in this Charter with an evolving set of specific policy guidelines.
  • The Editorial Council shall review the current list of Editors.
  • The Management Council shall review
    • privacy policies, including access by search engines, and
    • policy on licensing and republication of user and talk pages.

Constabulary

  • Constabulary tools include: advice and instruction on wiki or through Citizen email, removal of offensive text, and warning and banning of users.

Accessibility

  • The governing bodies shall define target audiences and elaborate guidelines on how Citizendium content should be rendered accessible to them.

Languages

  • The Management Council shall elaborate a strategy and policy on handling the establishment of branches in languages other than English, and on decision-making across branches.

This should be moved into the Charter. Russell D. Jones 01:06, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Administration

  • The Management Council shall elaborate a strategy and policy on handling the legal, financial, and technical operations necessary for the project to fulfill its mission.
Does this mean that the MC is to come up with a business plan? Russell D. Jones 12:27, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
In many flat, low-level organizations, the executive committee is to come up with the years' business plan including a budget and submit it to the membership for ratification. Thus the members endorse the objectives of the executive. Is that where this is going? Or is this just a reminder that the MC should come up with a plan that we can all forget about later. This could be a powerful tool that gives the MC leadership, or it could be a throw-away clause. Russell D. Jones 12:31, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

External partnerships

The Management Council shall develop and implement at its earliest convenience a policy for

  • interested external observers to provide feedback on Citizendium content in a manner convenient for them and the project.
  • collaboration with external partners, paying particular attention to fostering the collaboration with instructors by way of Eduzendium, and with external experts or professional organizations for the purposes of providing or reviewing content at Citizendium.

Research and teaching

  • The Editorial Council shall elaborate a strategy and policy on incorporation of teaching and research into Citizendium.
  • Research results that have not been formally published should be clearly labeled as such. So should articles that have been part of student coursework.
This is a qualifier on original research. I dislike the student qualifier, though; it demeans student work. This should go in the main body. Russell D. Jones 12:33, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Registration of new Editors

To streamline the CZ:Editor Application Review Procedure, applications for Editorship shall be processed in two consecutive steps:

  • All verified Editor applicants shall initially be registered as Citizens, enabling them to start contributing while the application is being reviewed.
  • The application for Editorship shall be reviewed by the Editorial Personnel Administrators (to be appointed by the Editorial Council) who shall strive to make a decision within one week.

Existing pseudonyms

Within a month after the entry into force of this Charter, all existing pseudonym accounts shall be closed by the Constabulary, and the respective user pages protected; the Citizens concerned may renew registration under their real names.

Open questions

In this section, space is provided to discuss issues that cross several articles and might allow compaction and greater clarity.


Election Cycle

Articles 20, 24, and 25 specify procedures for elections and seem to imply Annual elections. Yet the EC is seated in January and the MC is seated in July. Does this mean a six-month lame duck period for one council? Or are we envisioning semi-annual elections (MC in spring/EC in Fall)? (Note also that the current draft of Article 21, the current draft of Article 23, and Article 51 seem to imply semi-annual elections.) This is not clear. When this is resolved, Article 20, clause 10 should be revised to specify when a council referendum should take place. Russell D. Jones 21:34, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

This is an area that I am not good at and trust your thinking, Russell. Can you explain to me what makes one Council lame duck for 6 months? D. Matt Innis 12:28, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
If it's an annual election, one council shall be lame duck for up to six months. If it's a semi-annual election, then the lame duck period is much shorter (days, probably). In looking at your proposals for Articles 21 and 23, Matt, you seem to be thinking that we're having semi-annual elections. But the charter is not clear on this point. Russell D. Jones 12:41, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
I'd hate to have to have elections every six months. With all the election prep and verification crap, that means the constabulary will be working on election stuff for about 3 months out of the year. Not to mention people having to keep themselves abreast of issues and candidates to make informed decisions. There won't be any time to write articles! Rewrite it! D. Matt Innis 12:46, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
One way out here would in principle be a karma system replacing (part of) the election process. Technically not possible yet, but I suggest to keep it in mind while phrasing these rules. --Daniel Mietchen 00:43, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Karma systems do not take into account political realities. An issue in CZ may become politically important one year and someone with low karma may come forward as the best political choice. Happens all the time (Bush). A karma score will prejudice the electorate. I will not be in favor of allowing a program to restrict individual choice. I would be in favor of banning completely such systems. But this conversation doesn't resolve the issue before us. Russell D. Jones 11:42, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm thinking that whatever we do, we only hold elections once a year and the OMB and ME should be on different years. Half the EC and half the MC replaced each year? D. Matt Innis 15:05, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I actually prefer semi-annual elections. They allow for governmental dynamism and continuity. With fresh blood entering the governance structure every 6 months, there's little opportunity for unbreakable cabals to form and there's a lot of room for new ideas from new people. Yet with 2 year terms, only people seriously interested in CZ's best interests will get involved (I hope) and there will always be experienced people to guide the initiates.
BUT, if that system is going to put too much stress on the MC and constables who are responsible for running the elections, we should adjust it. I predict that once the system is in place and those managing it have had a chance to run through it a few times, it will become much less work, as best practices clarify themselves. -Joe Quick 18:24, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
I was definitely considering the workload on the MC and Constabulary. You make a good point about not allowing cabals. I'm on the fence. D. Matt Innis 18:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Not to mention people getting tired of campaign speeches and voting. D. Matt Innis 18:31, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
I also can see the value of semi-annual elections as Joe explains. Could the MC delegate an "election committee," which could or could not be, depending on the will of the MC, the constabulary? Such a system would relieve the constabulary from election burn-out while maintaining the political freshness of frequent elections. Russell D. Jones 21:43, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


Karma systems

Daniel, I'm not sure what you have in mind for a karma system related to election, but my understanding of the normal usage of the term is as a semi-automated mechanism to limit the potential for vandalism, and facilitating simpler registration. I would hope that other usages of the term do not prejudice that simpler meaning. Howard C. Berkowitz 19:58, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

But aren't elections by the citizens themselves a Karma system? Those citizens with the broad respect and appeal will be "voted up" and those with lower respect and appeal will be "voted down." Why duplicate things? Besides, on what would such a Karma system be based? Ability to make good edits? Ability to make good legal decisions? Grammatical ability? research ability? Ability to maintain one's cool and be even-handed? Research ability? Reference ability? All are valuable skills at CZ. All play to different roles in the proposed CZ government. Are we privilege one skill over the others? Shall we base a karma system on one's ability to make skillful contributions to CZ and use that as a basis to elect someone to make good legal decisions for CZ? That's a recipe for disaster. Russell D. Jones 21:43, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Parliamentary authority

I strongly recommend one be adopted -- Robert's Rules of Order is probably most common. There should be a provision, however, to have Citizendium-specific variants, which I think falls under the MC but possibly justifies ratification of changes or Combined Bodies action. Howard C. Berkowitz 22:17, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I added a line to one of the articles that says that the councils should have written rules for how to communicate with it. I was thinking that this would be a place where the councils could decide whether they need something like Roberts Rules or something similar. If we put it in the charter, we force them to only use Roberts Rules, suggesting that if they don't, then every decision that didn't ptoperly use Roberts Rules (and I don't think we have enough people that really know them well enough to even carry on a conversation properly using them) has grounds for appeal based on that alone. Maybe in Interim guidance we can suggest it? D. Matt Innis 12:34, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Roberts would much more affect the way the Council operates internally, rather than how there is external communications with it. One would hope that it would be needed rarely, but, thinking of some of the problematic deliberations of this Committee, it establishes voting procedures, when a matter can be reconsidered, etc. Howard C. Berkowitz 04:15, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
The big problem with Roberts is that it was developed for parliamentary procedure well before this current revolution in digital technology. A couple of years ago I was charged with developing an procedure for my organization for conducting a business meeting by email. As our attorneys and accountants needed every resolution documented, I had to research how Roberts rules of order have been ported into email meetings. The answer is "not very well." There really is (at least in 2008) no standardized format for parliamentary procedure in a digital environment (I had to write my own). I'm sure people are working on it somewhere, but frankly to ask this bunch to follow roberts rules will be like herding cats. I think the best we can do is to say something like "The MC shall adopt its own rules and bylaws for the conduct of its meetings. Such rules and bylaws shall be readily accessible by the citizenry." Thus the easy way out for the MC and the EC is to find a copy of Roberts rules online and say "here it is" and then basically ignore them.
ON THE OTHER HAND, as this committee has amply demonstrated, the lack of clearly defined rules of procedure leads to chaos. So, each body should have a committee of rules to figure out how business is going to be conducted. Luckily for the EC we have a procedure in place already that seems to work on occasion. Jones 04:52, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
That's fair -- I am not insistent on Roberts, Jefferson's, etc. (although I'm sure Thomas Jefferson could have solved it if he were available).
Believe me, while I have been in political environments where a Motion to Postpone Indefinitely was used against a Motion to Table, both being preempted by a Point of Parliamentary Procedure, I really don't want that kind of nitpicking here. Nevertheless, part of the chaos, I suspect, was associated with different interpretations of the role of majority voting, the procedures associated with reconsideration, etc. At a high level, we probably have to face that consensus, while desirable, does not work and we may need voting, or we can examine organizations where consensus does seem to work and see if there's applicability. Howard C. Berkowitz 15:03, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
So, as long as we require that the Councils have a written set of rules, that is probably the most we can do. The committess themselves will have to want to make it work, or nothing will. They will have to develop their own way of dealing with their disagreements that is fair to the majority as well as the minority. We have to trust them. D. Matt Innis 15:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
The key matter is that they have to have rules, especially when dealing with voting. We can't have people making vague references to "legality" when it's not clear what legal jurisdiction or code would apply, if at all. Howard C. Berkowitz 15:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Revoking approval

We probably need to spell out a policy on whether and how approval can be revoked. --Daniel Mietchen 01:22, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean article approval or editor-status approval? Russell D. Jones 01:29, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
I meant the first. The latter is already covered in article 9. --Daniel Mietchen 23:36, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Let the EC do it. It has full power over content. Russell D. Jones 01:16, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Recommended Practices

We've been kicking around a lot of ideas that really are editorial or managerial policies and not charter provisions. Should we recommend to the MC and EC practices that should be adopted? This could be a separate document and not ratified, or it we could put it in and get a mandate from the citizenry. Russell D. Jones 17:26, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps we could couple the referendum on the charter with one on the question of whether the new EC/MC should follow such a document. However, I am afraid that agreeing on this document might take us yet more months, so I'd recommend to bundle these ideas up as best as we can and to simply recommend them to the new bodies. --Daniel Mietchen 23:39, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
We can present them to these bodies as citizens, right? We do have that power, right? Russell D. Jones 01:18, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
I' say package them as guidelines and suggestions. And yes, any of us (or the group of us) can present them as referendums according to my reading of this charter. D. Matt Innis 01:30, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
But referendums occur only once a year, at election time. It won't be until next fall (2011) that we can put together a package of referendums to the citizens. It's much easier to make a proposal to the EC to see if they'll adopt a policy. If they don't, then a citizen could try a referendum. Is there any right to petition the EC or MC with policies? Russell D. Jones 01:49, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Citizendium Foundation

Just a note to remember that art. 44 may require interim guidance. --Daniel Mietchen 23:42, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Special requirements / automated access

In the current version of article 42, it has been suggested to delete "As far as possible, special requirements of visually or otherwise impaired users and for responsibly exercised automated access shall be taken into account." Two points in here:

  1. Article 13 currently states "All basic material shall be intended for the general public." In my perception (possibly impaired), "general" may or may not include "visually or otherwise impaired users", but I think we should state explicitly, at some level, that such users are of course welcome to consume, produce, improve, approve, or redistribute CZ content, and having such a statement at Charter level would be a strong signal to these communities which are often not very well integrated with the rest of the world (online or offline), while at the same time providing CZ with expertise on these matters and with the possibility to play an active role in making knowledge accessible to them. I also think that advocating for taking into account the needs of blind or colour-blind users would not conflict with the content-centric meaning of "advocacy" in the current phrasing of article 16, "The Citizendium shall remain free of advocacy, advertisement and sensationalism."
  2. Similar reasoning applies to improving machine readability, so as to allow for (two-way and/or third-party) integration of CZ content with other kinds of open knowledge repositories online (think Semantic Web, Linked Data, or mashups with content from OpenStreetMap, Open Library, citizen science or open governmental data), and having such a passage in the Charter would likewise be a strong signal to those expert-led communities (and their funders). Since these areas are currently in very active development, being very open to such initiatives would be another important differentiator.

--Daniel Mietchen 01:05, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Article 42: I get it. Thank you for explaining. I've made some changes to it. Russell D. Jones 01:36, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm still not sure we have it yet. Let's keep working on it.
Daniel, so you have some specific language for your second point? D. Matt Innis 01:49, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
I suggest we drop it at 42 and discuss it in the context of art. 13 (see phrasing suggestion there). --Daniel Mietchen 21:32, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Election of the first ME/MC/EC

The current phrasing of art. 21 is "The Managing Editor shall be elected by a simple majority of the voting citizenry during the same election period as the Management Council. For this election, up to four candidates shall be selected by the Management Council, taken from a list of Editors nominated by the community."

This excludes the first ME to be elected along with the MC. I suggest to add a statement to the transition section, such that the election of the first ME does not require prior existence of the MC. Instead, we could go for a nomination scheme similar to the one used for the Drafting Committee. --Daniel Mietchen 22:18, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

As you all know, I am fundamentally opposed to the Managing Editor role as defined, but I was willing to compromise on letting the MC and EC be elected first, and then elect the ME. There are many reasons not to change the rules for immediate election of an ME, but one of the major ones, to me, is that I expect to see a growth in membership once we make a handover to community government. The pool of candidates for all offices becomes larger.
I oppose any changes in rules to force an early and special-case ME election. If the MC and EC are to give policy to the ME, it is only logical that those bodies be in place first. Howard C. Berkowitz 22:43, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
That would be fine with me too, but in any case, we need clarification of the applicability of art. 21 to the first election of ME/MC. Also, article 51 about the initial numbers of EC/MC should go into the transition rules. --Daniel Mietchen 23:29, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
The ME can make decisions where there is a lack of policy and that is what stimulates the EC or MC to create or improve current policy. I think we need the ME from the get go; to make interim decisions - then once the MC and EC get on their feet (which will take a little while) they can review the ME decisions. D. Matt Innis 12:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
I agree. The first election should be for a full slate of all officers: 5 MC members, 7 EC members, ME, and Om. That's fourteen seats. The MC's first order of business should be to select the Constabulary. We should designate either the Om or the ME as being up for re-election first. We should also consider that it is now nearly August, and the Charter specifies that the boards shall be seated on January 1. I suggest that we grant the first boards an extra four or five months and specify that half the seats shall be up for re-election in 2011, to be seated January 1, 2012. Do we really want elections to coincide with the holidays? How did that get decided anyway?
We could have a call for nominations for the Om and leave it to the Current EC and ExComm to whittle the list to four .... nah, that would take us until December. Why don't we just get a list of nominations and just put that list to the citizenry? Fourteen seats is probably about 20% of the active membership anyway. Russell D. Jones 01:36, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Feedback mechanism

Article 26 — "All decision processes shall take place in a way that allows every interested Citizen to follow it and support it with feedback." — is about to be deleted, but I think making some provisions for feedback should be included into the interim guidance. --Daniel Mietchen 22:30, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely Agree. D. Matt Innis 01:00, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Now that I've been thinking about this, I think that article is intended to be the right to petition your government. Is there anywhere in the current charter that requires the MC or EC to listen to the citizenry in adopting policy? Is there anything that says that the citizens can suggest policy to the councils (aside from the referendum)? Russell D. Jones 01:38, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Very few new ideas should require a referendum. The Proposal System was likely the biggest roadblock to progress that we could have come up with. Hopefully, the councils don't go down that road again. Is that something we need to spell out, or do we require that the councils develop their own mechanisms. D. Matt Innis 01:54, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Provided that their own mechanisms don't preclude taking suggestions from the people. I've always thought that the main problem with the proposals system was that it was overly bureaucratic and procedural. Russell D. Jones 01:58, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
So maybe we just mention that "The Councils and Officers shall include a mechanism that allows the people to petition them." D. Matt Innis 02:02, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
I like it. Can you add it to the article "Both Councils shall ...." I think it was article 30. Or should it be it's separate article? Russell D. Jones 02:10, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Done. D. Matt Innis 03:19, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Technical note: Uncollapsing all of the collapsable tables at once

From this Forum post by Chris Key:

Whilst viewing the page copy and paste the following into your browser's address bar (and press return):

javascript:for(a=0;a<=54;a=a+1){collapseTable(a);}

This will cause all of the boxes to expand. You can also save this snippet as a bookmark and then just click the bookmark when on that page.

Press return again to revert the uncollapsing.

--Daniel Mietchen 00:16, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Who knew!? Thanks! Russell D. Jones 11:45, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
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