User:Drew R. Smith/Hawaii Archive

native Hawaiians

The terms "Hawaiian people" or "people of Hawaii" would seem to encompass the entire group of people who come from Hawaii. If you're writing about native people only, I would avoid those terms. Is there a name that the indigenous people of Hawaii use for themselves (an endonym)? If so, ypu should use that term out of respect for the people you are writing about. Otherwise, I would use "Native Hawaiians" or something like it. --Joe Quick 13:23, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I will move the page. And I don't think there is a name they call themselves (besides locals...), and after going to high school in Hawai`i I probably would have heard it a couple times. No, I think they just call themselves Native Hawai`ians.Drew R. Smith 04:31, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks like the move went smoothly. Being mainly an anthropology person, this is the type of article that I like to work on. Unfortunately, I don't know much about the Hawaii islands or the people who live there. I'll make sure to contribute to the article if I come across anything significant. --Joe Quick 15:31, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Hawaiian language

I think you should definitely start an article and I (and others) will certainly have a look at it. I can perhaps make corrections regarding linguistics, but you would otherwise have a lot of freedom with the article because you have some experience of the language. I know very little of the specifics of Hawaiian other than a bit on the phonology. Also, check out Hawaiian Creole (the title is the name linguists use, which I would argue is preferable to the popular 'Hawaiian Pidgin', because HP is not a pidgin). John Stephenson 03:34, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, though the title of the Creole article would depend on which creole you are talking about. The old creole was a mix between the Hawaiian language, and some asian languages, and the article would be titled "Hawaiian Creole". The modern creole is actually a mix between the old creole and english, and should be titled "Hawaiian Creole English" with redirects from "Hawaiian Pidgin". Here in Hawaii we just call HCE pidgin though...Drew R. Smith 03:38, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Hawaiian alphabet

Drew: I use IE 6 as my browser. I know there are later versions ... but I like what I have. In any event, in the second sub-section of Hawaiian alphabet about the letter xOkina, the x does not render as anything but a small square ... which means that it is a character that my browser cannot read. Is there anything you could do about that? Does it render on other browsers? If you can't do anything about it, then so be it. I just thought you might want to know.

As for getting Hawaiian alphabet nominated for approval, I noted in your posting to Larry, that you thought it fit into 2 of our workgroups ... yet its Metadata template only has one category specified, namely Linguistics (added by Howard Berkowitz). It would be helpful if you could add a second valid category because approval nominations must be made Editors in the categories listed in the Metadata template. Adding another valid category means there might be more Editors eligible to nominate your article. (Please note that I said "valid" category.)

Just as background, when I wrote my first few articles, it was over a month before anyone even commented or suggested edits to them ... and it was even longer before someone finally nominated one for approval. So patience is required. As CZ grows, there will be more Editors available.

I hope you find this helpful, Milton Beychok 17:25, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what I can do about the character not rendering properly. As outlined in the article, it can be replaced with ', or `, but for the links to work properly I have to use the real ʻ character. Perhaps I can change the links to `Okina. Did that render properly for you? I will wait for your response before making the change.\

Yes, `Okina renders okay for me. Milton Beychok 17:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I'll change it in the article then.Drew R. Smith 17:48, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

And as for the workgroups, I'm not entirely convinced it belongs in anthropology. True, anthropology has a written language section, but the majority of the workgroup is dedicated to things entirely unrelated.

There is no doubt in my mind that my article won't be nominated for along time, but I felt it was ready, and wanted to get the ball rolling. I didn't mean to seem impatient.Drew R. Smith 17:32, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, to answer your question about other browsers; Yes, it renders on all four browsers I use (IE 8, Google Chrome, Firefox, and Opera). On a seperate note, if you ever do decide to upgrade browsers, might I suggest Opera?Drew R. Smith 17:34, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I think I changed them all. Could you look over it for me please? It probably sticks out alot more on your browser than it does on mine...Drew R. Smith 17:51, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm still working on it (hawaiian pronunciation). Which browser are you using... the original set-up was atrocious on mine... take careDustin Bowers 05:58, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I actually use four of the most commonly used browsers (IE8, Google Chrome, Firefox, and Opera) to make sure my edits look ok. The article was created in IE8 and looked ok in firefox and opera. I did not check google chrome. What browser are you using?Drew R. Smith 06:20, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Thats what I'm seeing in IE8...Drew R. Smith 06:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thats a little better, but now it just looks like a list. And another thing to note, it looks alright in monobook, nut in pinkwich5, the default skin, the categories appear next to the last table.Drew R. Smith 06:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm using Safari. Some prose around the table would go a long way to reducing the list-itude. We could revitalize the text I deleted for that purpose. Glad we got the ball rolling. Dustin Bowers 07:35, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

No worries about ball-dropping. I have been fairly inactive myself. I would be happy to help move this forward. Diphthongs are probably the next target, maybe some fleshing out as needed. Or do you think it is ready now? Dustin Bowers 19:00, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, what did you have in mind? If I remember correctly we already have a chart with the diphthongs on it.Drew R. Smith 00:04, 6 August 2009 (UTC)