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One needs 1. to have the '''will''', 2. to '''know''', what having one 3. '''power''' (be enabled, empowered), may result in his 4. '''act''' - ''The contention is that one needs, first, to desire to know, then he must also be able - be empowered... to end up that he will do something.'' | One needs 1. to have the '''will''', 2. to '''know''', what having one 3. '''power''' (be enabled, empowered), may result in his 4. '''act''' - ''The contention is that one needs, first, to desire to know, then he must also be able - be empowered... to end up that he will do something.'' | ||
:I'd be cautious in calling all of these acts "intelligence". We might agree on something along the lines of "secret operations", or [[clandestine operation]] or [[covert action]]. I've explored certain issues in [[Clandestine human-source intelligence and covert action]], and [[Operational Preparation of the Environment]] and their subarticles. Subversion, sabotage, etc., certainly share techniques of clandestinity with intelligence, but they are not themselves intelligence.[[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 16:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
Austro-Hungarian Empire | ==Austro-Hungarian Empire== | ||
By late 19th Century, the Habsburg Dinasty Intelligence Service had a gigantic Intelligence Archive located in Vienna controlled by Count Kalnoky - his successors still reachable in today's Rumania [http://www.kalnoky.org/KCT-About%20Us.html]. Count Kalnoky was the Foreign Affairs Minister of Austro-Hungarian Empire [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian#Dissolution_of_Austria-Hungary] (Its operations were worldwide, and same were instrumental in South American politics (citation needed), see Count Welsersheimb dialogues with Brazilian Emperor Dom Pedro II [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dom_Pedro_II]. | By late 19th Century, the Habsburg Dinasty Intelligence Service had a gigantic Intelligence Archive located in Vienna controlled by Count Kalnoky - his successors still reachable in today's Rumania [http://www.kalnoky.org/KCT-About%20Us.html]. Count Kalnoky was the Foreign Affairs Minister of Austro-Hungarian Empire [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian#Dissolution_of_Austria-Hungary] (Its operations were worldwide, and same were instrumental in South American politics (citation needed), see Count Welsersheimb dialogues with Brazilian Emperor Dom Pedro II [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dom_Pedro_II]. | ||
==Greece== | |||
Greece | |||
In Greece: One surely must expand a research on Konstantinos Kanaris (a.k.a. Constantine Kanaris) who gained his fame during the Greek War of Independence (1821–1829)[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantin_Kanaris]. | In Greece: One surely must expand a research on Konstantinos Kanaris (a.k.a. Constantine Kanaris) who gained his fame during the Greek War of Independence (1821–1829)[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantin_Kanaris]. | ||
Germany | :One also cannot ignore the later Cypriot activities, and, primarily in guerilla warfare, [[George Grivas]].[[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 16:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
==Germany== | |||
The speculation, raisen by German Emperor Wilhelm II [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_II] himself, that Wilhelm Canaris was a descendant of Konstantinos Kanaris was never proven [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantin_Kanaris#Family] he may have been uncle to Wilhelm Canaris [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Canaris], the German admiral, head of the Abwehr, the German military intelligence service, from 1935 to 1944 and member of the German Resistance that ended up hanged [http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/hanged.html] by Hitler [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Canaris#Downfall_and_execution]. | |||
:Canaris is an immensely complex subject. Simply his own early life is interesting, but one absolutely cannot ignore his love-hate relationship with [[Reinhard Heydrich]], and, especially after Heydrich was asssassinated, how Canaris fought for bureaucratic control, increasingly involved in the [[July 20 plot]]. | |||
:We do now have confirmation, from [[R.V. Jones]], that he was ''not'' the source of the [[Oslo Report]]. There are still speculations that he might have leaked material to the Red Orchestra and other espionage rings, or if those rings were simply cover for a way to get [[ULTRA]] materials to the Soviets. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 16:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
==Summary== | |||
If such a "History of Contemporary Intelligence" line of a research is deemed fit and proper then it goes without saying that it needs to be expanded into the United Kingdom, France Spain, Portugal and earlier, Venice and so on: One may have a gist of how wide is this realm as one may note the size of the British Empire, the Roman Empire and - it has no end - for the oldest profession in the world Intelligence is. | If such a "History of Contemporary Intelligence" line of a research is deemed fit and proper then it goes without saying that it needs to be expanded into the United Kingdom, France Spain, Portugal and earlier, Venice and so on: One may have a gist of how wide is this realm as one may note the size of the British Empire, the Roman Empire and - it has no end - for the oldest profession in the world Intelligence is. | ||
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[[User:RICARDO Gomes de Paiva DE FARIA|RICARDO Gomes de Paiva DE FARIA]] 10:18, 7 July 2009 (UTC) | [[User:RICARDO Gomes de Paiva DE FARIA|RICARDO Gomes de Paiva DE FARIA]] 10:18, 7 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Sorry, could you translate this as more than a comment from Vernon Walters, a far better linguist than I? [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 16:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC) |
Revision as of 10:16, 7 July 2009
History of Contemporary Intelligence: A line of a research proposal.
Human acts may ultimately be an act of information (INFO[1]), sabotage (DISINFO)[2]) [3], or an act of protection, of counter-intelligence (CONTRINFO)[4].
It may be a line of research to elaborate that there exists an order of factors [5] that alters the product:
One needs 1. to have the will, 2. to know, what having one 3. power (be enabled, empowered), may result in his 4. act - The contention is that one needs, first, to desire to know, then he must also be able - be empowered... to end up that he will do something.
- I'd be cautious in calling all of these acts "intelligence". We might agree on something along the lines of "secret operations", or clandestine operation or covert action. I've explored certain issues in Clandestine human-source intelligence and covert action, and Operational Preparation of the Environment and their subarticles. Subversion, sabotage, etc., certainly share techniques of clandestinity with intelligence, but they are not themselves intelligence.Howard C. Berkowitz 16:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Austro-Hungarian Empire
By late 19th Century, the Habsburg Dinasty Intelligence Service had a gigantic Intelligence Archive located in Vienna controlled by Count Kalnoky - his successors still reachable in today's Rumania [6]. Count Kalnoky was the Foreign Affairs Minister of Austro-Hungarian Empire [7] (Its operations were worldwide, and same were instrumental in South American politics (citation needed), see Count Welsersheimb dialogues with Brazilian Emperor Dom Pedro II [8].
Greece
In Greece: One surely must expand a research on Konstantinos Kanaris (a.k.a. Constantine Kanaris) who gained his fame during the Greek War of Independence (1821–1829)[9].
- One also cannot ignore the later Cypriot activities, and, primarily in guerilla warfare, George Grivas.Howard C. Berkowitz 16:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Germany
The speculation, raisen by German Emperor Wilhelm II [10] himself, that Wilhelm Canaris was a descendant of Konstantinos Kanaris was never proven [11] he may have been uncle to Wilhelm Canaris [12], the German admiral, head of the Abwehr, the German military intelligence service, from 1935 to 1944 and member of the German Resistance that ended up hanged [13] by Hitler [14].
- Canaris is an immensely complex subject. Simply his own early life is interesting, but one absolutely cannot ignore his love-hate relationship with Reinhard Heydrich, and, especially after Heydrich was asssassinated, how Canaris fought for bureaucratic control, increasingly involved in the July 20 plot.
- We do now have confirmation, from R.V. Jones, that he was not the source of the Oslo Report. There are still speculations that he might have leaked material to the Red Orchestra and other espionage rings, or if those rings were simply cover for a way to get ULTRA materials to the Soviets. Howard C. Berkowitz 16:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Summary
If such a "History of Contemporary Intelligence" line of a research is deemed fit and proper then it goes without saying that it needs to be expanded into the United Kingdom, France Spain, Portugal and earlier, Venice and so on: One may have a gist of how wide is this realm as one may note the size of the British Empire, the Roman Empire and - it has no end - for the oldest profession in the world Intelligence is.
"Domingo 4 de marzo de 2001 A FONDO: VERNON WALTERS, EX SUBDIRECTOR DE LA CIA [15] [...] En cuanto al espionaje, hubo inteligencia antes y habrá inteligencia después. Es imposible prescindir de lo que algunos llaman 'la más vieja de las profesiones'. [...] ¿No es la prostitución la más antigua profesión en el credo común? —Eso es lo que se dice en general. Pero para acceder a los servicios de la prostitución hay que saber, antes, dónde está y cuánto cuesta al menos. Y esto es inteligencia y es anterior... aun al sexo por dinero. [...]" RICARDO Gomes de Paiva DE FARIA 10:18, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, could you translate this as more than a comment from Vernon Walters, a far better linguist than I? Howard C. Berkowitz 16:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC)