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Did the notion of sweet pies, rather than meat-based ones, originate in America perhaps? Certainly we have expressions like "American as apple pie", and some pies such as Pecan pie (yuummm!) are very likely American. [[User:Sandy Harris|Sandy Harris]] 04:02, 11 August 2011 (UTC) | Did the notion of sweet pies, rather than meat-based ones, originate in America perhaps? Certainly we have expressions like "American as apple pie", and some pies such as Pecan pie (yuummm!) are very likely American. [[User:Sandy Harris|Sandy Harris]] 04:02, 11 August 2011 (UTC) | ||
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I do not know if it is still the case, since I have not been there in decades, but at one point pie shops were a major part of the tourist-oriented restaurant scene in [[ | I do not know if it is still the case, since I have not been there in decades, but at one point pie shops were a major part of the tourist-oriented restaurant scene in [[Kathmandu]], capital of [[Nepal]]. The first one was "Aunt Jane's", started by the wife of a US diplomat or aid official. Recipes basically American, apple pie a speciality (great Apples in the Himalayas), pumpkin pie, coffee cake, ... | ||
There were dozens of imitators, all with more-or-less the same menu. Late 60s through the 70s, they did a really good business. Hordes of more-or-less hippies, mostly North American, European or Antipodean, thousands of miles from home, mostly having spent some months eating mainly Indian food, many with their appetites enhanced by the excellent Nepalese hashish, which most pie shops also sold. Offer Western desserts and they'll mob you. | There were dozens of imitators, all with more-or-less the same menu. Late 60s through the 70s, they did a really good business. Hordes of more-or-less hippies, mostly North American, European or Antipodean, thousands of miles from home, mostly having spent some months eating mainly Indian food, many with their appetites enhanced by the excellent Nepalese hashish, which most pie shops also sold. Offer Western desserts and they'll mob you. | ||
I am not sure if, or to what extent, this is still the case. Nepal did cave to US pressure and make hash illegal, there's been a whole series of political changes there, and the hippie era is log since over, so I've no idea what it is like now, It does seem to me that those pie shops should be part of any "history of pie", though. [[User:Sandy Harris|Sandy Harris]] 04:22, 11 August 2011 (UTC) | I am not sure if, or to what extent, this is still the case. Nepal did cave to US pressure and make hash illegal, there's been a whole series of political changes there, and the hippie era is log since over, so I've no idea what it is like now, It does seem to me that those pie shops should be part of any "history of pie", though. [[User:Sandy Harris|Sandy Harris]] 04:22, 11 August 2011 (UTC) | ||
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American?
The current first sentence is "Pie is thought to be American in origin, as in "American Pie" but in actuality pie has a long history dating back to England." This seems problematic to me, since it would never have occurred to me to imagine pie was "American in origin". Steak & kidney pie is a traditional British dish, various sorts of meat pie are an Aussie staple (I think occupying a central place in their non-fancy culinary tradition like hamburgers for the US), Quebec has tourtiere [1], and so on.
Did the notion of sweet pies, rather than meat-based ones, originate in America perhaps? Certainly we have expressions like "American as apple pie", and some pies such as Pecan pie (yuummm!) are very likely American. Sandy Harris 04:02, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Kathmandu?
I do not know if it is still the case, since I have not been there in decades, but at one point pie shops were a major part of the tourist-oriented restaurant scene in Kathmandu, capital of Nepal. The first one was "Aunt Jane's", started by the wife of a US diplomat or aid official. Recipes basically American, apple pie a speciality (great Apples in the Himalayas), pumpkin pie, coffee cake, ...
There were dozens of imitators, all with more-or-less the same menu. Late 60s through the 70s, they did a really good business. Hordes of more-or-less hippies, mostly North American, European or Antipodean, thousands of miles from home, mostly having spent some months eating mainly Indian food, many with their appetites enhanced by the excellent Nepalese hashish, which most pie shops also sold. Offer Western desserts and they'll mob you.
I am not sure if, or to what extent, this is still the case. Nepal did cave to US pressure and make hash illegal, there's been a whole series of political changes there, and the hippie era is log since over, so I've no idea what it is like now, It does seem to me that those pie shops should be part of any "history of pie", though. Sandy Harris 04:22, 11 August 2011 (UTC)