Talk:Russian Blue

Image:Russian Blue 001.gif was uploaded from Commons without correct real name of author

The subject image was uploaded from Wikimedia Commons, using the pseudonym "Russkis" as the author. As can be seen here, the pseudonym of the original creator is MGA7. Looking at his user page discloses that he lives in Denmark and his first forename (given name) is Michael ... but his surname is not disclosed. I have posted a message on his user talk page here, asking him if he would give me his real surname and I am awaiting a response. If he gives me his real name, the image will be reloaded into this article. If he should fail to respond or responds negatively, then regretfully the image will need to be removed from Citizendium. Milton Beychok 06:45, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Good news! I obtained the information and permission needed to upload this photo as required by CZ policies. The image file has been corrected and the image has been once again added to this article. Milton Beychok 20:55, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Photo removed from article upon notification

The photo was removed from the article and I left a notation in the page history last night. It was late so I did not leave a message until today. Here is notification the page was removed as it did not meet Citizendium photo upload standards. I apologize for the error as I was trying to learn how to do this. In the future, as I now know pseudonyms are not allowed, I will upload only photos with complete names.Mary Ash 19:38, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Mary. You're getting the hang of it. D. Matt Innis 20:00, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Mary, the pseudonym of the author is "Ruskis" and I was finally given her user page in the German Wikipedia. On her German user page, in the "Eigene Homepage" section, I found the URL of her cattery website to be Ruskis Schweiz. When I went there and clicked on the "In Englisch" link, and then searched her site, I found her real name to be Franziska Gabriela Waldmann (see About Me).

If you wish, you could now return to Image:Russian Blue 001.gif and revise the file summary to use the author's real name. Just to be sure, it might be useful to first email her and ask if she has any objection to using her real name as the author of the photo. I found two email addresses for her: ruskis@gmx.ch and franziska.waldmann@q-cat.ch

It's up to you now to decide if you want to email Franziska first and then revise the image file to use her real name. Milton Beychok 06:37, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Milt, that was above and beyond the call of duty. I'm impressed. D. Matt Innis 14:40, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Matt, it took quite a bit of time as you can imagine. But, I have found that is what it takes quite often when I have uploaded other images from Commons or Flickr. I know very little about copyright law (practically nil) and I can only assume that Stephen Ewen had good reasons for setting the rule that we must use real names. Milton Beychok 14:51, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, you could have very easily deleted the picture and moved on, but you didn't. Thanks. D. Matt Innis 15:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Added new photo with presumably full name of author

I added a new photo showing the full name of the author. I was unable to determine the country of first publication though. I did leave a link in the comments section of the photo upload. Mary Ash 19:01, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Image:Russian Blue kitten.jpg was uploaded from Commons without correct real name of author

The subject image was uploaded from Wikimedia Commons and the author's name is given as (presumably) the French words "Flor de Azur". That is obviously not a person's name. It translates from French as roughly "Blue Flower". If the real author's full real name is not provided within the next 24 hours, then the image will need to be removed from Citizendium.

Mary, please read what I wrote about finding the name of the prior image and how you could re-instate it as a valid image. Milton Beychok 00:18, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Milt I searched and discovered the real name, or what I thought was the real name, as the photo clearly states the name associated with the author box. I also clicked on the name and found a page written in Russian, I believe, translated it, came up with the same name. I tried. Mary Ash 00:24, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Mary, Click here to see the person that Milt found above. Is it the same one that you found? D. Matt Innis 00:35, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Mary, no matter what the file summary on Commons said, in French or in Russia or whatever, "Flor de Azur" cannot be a real person's real name!! It may be a cattery's name somewhere, but not a real person's name. Read the posting just above on how to go back to the first photo !!!! Milton Beychok 01:03, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Just to be pedantic, it's Spanish. And it's a cattery, came up top of the page when I googled it. Ro Thorpe 01:53, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Um...actually, 'Flor' is a common enough Spanish first name and nickname. I've no idea whether or not de Azur is a surname, but it seems as reasonable as White, Brown or Green, no? So Mary would not necessarily have known. Just sayin'. Aleta Curry 02:30, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

The point is that after I found the real name of the first photo's author and her email addresses as well and told Mary how she could now re-instate that first photo (see above) ... she ignores that advice and uploads another photo and again incorrectly attributes the second photo to what is obviously not a real name. Aleta, do you really think that "flor de Azur" is a reasonable name? Come now! Ro Thorpe is probably right in saying that it is a cattery (as I has guessed above). The name of a cattery is still not the real name of the photographer and that is what is needed.

Our one-time Constable and image uploading guru, Stephen Ewen, set the rule that requires us to find the real name of the creator/author/photographer of images obtained from Commons and Flickr. That requirement very often requires a lot of work and time to abide by. Being in a hurry and not taking the time to determine the real name of the creator/author/photographer does not get the job done! Milton Beychok 04:16, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Whadya mean 'come now!'? I'm saying that 'Flor' is a common enough Spanish-language name, and I'm sticking to it. Aleta Curry 21:52, 11 August 2010 (UTC).

Corporate identity of Russian Blues

I cannot testify to the absolute Russian Blueness of the late Chatterley Berkowitz, other than to say she had a show-perfect face and fur, but a thicker body. Nevertheless, she appeared one day on a split-level roof adjoining a bathroom window, and demanded to be admitted and properly housed.

She was the most eclectic eater of all cats I have known, being, for example, passionate about the juice from canned lima beans. Nevertheless, she enjoyed traditional delicacies. While most elegant -- she never saw a camera for which she did not pose -- she was an adept mouser. On catching her first mouse, she claimed our attention, ran to her bowl of dry cat food, dropped the mouse onto the food, and looked up, clearly saying, "that is the expected recipe. Are there any questions?"

Chatterley was fairly tolerant -- amazingly so for a cat -- of hot spices. When she liberated an exceptionally hot Thai shrimp, however, she obviously concluded it bit her. She would hurl it to the floor, attempt to stun it with her paws, and then grab it and shake to break its neck. When it bit her again, she would repeat the process. Eventually, she actually would have rubbed off the peppers, but we would never interfere with her pride in her kill. Howard C. Berkowitz 00:32, 13 August 2010 (UTC)