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This page is meant to collect ideas on how to make CZ better, both in a fundamental or incremental way, with a focus on practical rather than theoretical improvements. We need an overview here, so please do not use more than about 50 words per field and link to other pages (on the forum, or in the CZ or user namespaces) if further information is necessary. | This page is meant to collect ideas on how to make CZ better, both in a fundamental or incremental way, with a focus on practical rather than theoretical improvements. We need an overview here, so please do not use more than about 50 words per field and link to other pages (on the forum, or in the CZ or user namespaces) if further information is necessary. | ||
Please sort by priority (from 5=crucial to 1=nice to have to 0=neutral to -1=counterproductive), and if a problem was solved, move it to [[#Done|the dedicated table]] at the bottom of this page. | |||
{| | ==To do== | ||
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| align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Problem''' | | align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Problem''' | ||
| align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Priority''' | |||
| align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Solution''' | | align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Solution''' | ||
| align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Possible trial solution''' | | align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Possible trial solution''' | ||
| align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Comments''' | | align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Comments''' | ||
| align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Contact person''' | | align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Contact person''' | ||
| align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Date filed''' | |||
| align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Status''' | |||
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| align="center" | [ | |align="center"| default skin is not user-friendly ||align="center"| 5 ||align="center"| change it ||align="center"| can be changed for logged-in users via preferences ||align="left"| [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/board,16.0.html Forum thread] ||align="left"|[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] ||align="left"|08:37, 30 October 2009 (UTC) || | ||
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|The current "Elem Infobox" template has no way for listing properties like IUPAC name, CAS number, molecular mass, boiling point, melting point, density, specific heat, refractive. index, etc. It also has no counterpart for compounds as well as elements.|| 5|| We need a template placing a standard table on main article edit pages that can be used to list/add/delete/revise properties for elements and for compounds. Perhaps one such template for elements and one for compounds.|| Look at the table I created on the edit page of [[Water]] and how it displays on the main article page|| Look at table I also created on [[Water/Other Properties]] for listing more properties, if appropriate.|| [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]]|| 21:40, 27 October 2009 (UTC) || a test version for such a template can be found at [[Template:PropList]] | |||
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|align="center"| Better search facilities (even the expert search does not even allow a "*" wildcard)||align="center"| 5 ||align="center"| allow wildcards, and, or, etc. ||align="center"| ||align="left"| ||align="left"|[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] ||align="left"|01:06, 26 October 2009 (UTC) || | |||
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| | | align="center" | [[CZ:Wishlist/Establish Relationship with External Organization | No established relationship with external organizations]] || align="center" | 5 || align="center" |[[CZ:Wishlist/Potential partners | Potential partners]] || align="center" | [[CZ:Wishlist/Trial Partnership | Trial Partnership]]|| align="left" |[[ CZ Talk:Wishlist/Establish Relationship with External Organization | Talk Page]]<br /> [[CZ:Become a Partner]] || align="left" |[[User:Dan Nessett|Dan Nessett]] || align="left"| 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before || align="center" |Problem description missing | ||
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| | |align="center"| WP credit often vanishes ||align="center"| 4 ||align="center"| include in Metadata ||align="center"| ||align="left"| This would also allow other sources to be credited properly ||align="left"|[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]], [[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]]||align="left"|20:43, 14 October 2009 (UTC)|| | ||
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| align="center" | | | align="center" | no policy on installing extensions|| align="center" | 4 || align="center" |[[CZ:MediaWiki extension policy|draft one]]|| align="center" | ask Greg || align="left" | [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,2788.0.html Forum thread]|| align="left" |[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] || align="left"| 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before || align="center" |Problem description missing | ||
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| align="center" | [ | | align="center" | [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,2771.msg22159.html#msg22159 Some search engines display our disclaimer] rather than useful page summaries, thus keeping visitors away || align="center" | 4 || align="center" |display the definition on the cluster's main page rather than on the talk page || align="center" | [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,2848.msg23240.html#msg23240 demo] || align="left" | [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,2848.msg23305.html Forum thread on demo] [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,2939.0.html Forum thread on problem due to demo]|| align="left" |[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] || align="left"| 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before || align="center" |Problem description missing | ||
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| |||||||| | |align="center"| Is there a simpler implementation of the subpages mechanism? ||align="center"| 3 ||align="center"| Perhaps by using of namespaces? ||align="center"| ||align="left"| ||align="left"|[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] ||align="left"|00:24, 25 October 2009 (UTC) || | ||
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|align="center"| Moving clusters and deleting redirects are likely to leave orphaned pages behind ||align="center"| 3 ||align="center"| Can the move mechanics be improved? ||align="center"| ||align="left"| ||align="left"|[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] ||align="left"|00:28, 25 October 2009 (UTC) || | |||
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| align="center" | much of our best content is hidden to occasional visitors, and [[CZ:Article of the Week]] / [[Archive:New Draft of the Week]] require more energy than we seem to have on a permanent basis|| align="center" | 3 || align="center" | Display the introductory parts of approved articles on the [[CZ:Welcome Page]] by means of transclusion and random selection (as already practices for [[CZ:Quotes]].|| [[CZ:Article of the Week]] / [[Archive:New Draft of the Week]] as well as [[CZ:Quotes]], all of which have been in operation for a while|| align="left" | [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,2712.msg23456.html#msg23456 Forum thread]|| align="left" |[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] || align="left"| 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before || align="center" |Problem description missing | |||
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|align="center"| Technical approval mechanics: Can it be simplified? ||align="center"| 3 ||align="center"| Can branches of the revision control be used? ||align="center"| ||align="left"| ||align="left"|[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]]||align="left"|20:43, 14 October 2009 (UTC)|| Is copy and paste indeed the best method? | |||
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| align="center" | no policy on bots and scripts|| align="center" | 3 || align="center" |[[CZ:Bot policy|draft one]]|| [[User:Daniel Mietchen/bot-recent|document]] all your bot and script runs; bots using non-[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Using_the_python_wikipediabot PWB] scripts must operate with categories that allow for undo|| align="left" | [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,2850.msg23223.html#msg23223 Forum thread]|| align="left" |[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] || align="left"| 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before || align="center" |Problem description missing | |||
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| align="center" | No coherent guidance on [[CZ:Wishlist/Citations, References and Bibliographies | Citations, References, and Bibliographies on CZ]], and content overlap with External links || align="center" | 3 || align="center" | [[CZ:Wishlist/References and Bibliographies/Solution | Solutions]] || align="center" | [[CZ:Wishlist/References and Bibliographies/Trial | Trials]] || align="left" | [[CZ Talk:Wishlist/References and Bibliographies | Talk Page]] / [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,2917.msg24286.html#msg24286 Forum thread on merging Bibliography and External Links subpages] || align="left" | [[User:Dan Nessett|Dan Nessett]], [[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] || align="left"| 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before || align="center" |Problem description missing | |||
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| align="center" | [[Special:Upload]] allows too few file types || align="center" | 3 || align="center" | change it|| align="center" | no demo needed|| align="left" | [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,1836.msg23881.html#msg23881 Forum thread] || align="left" | [[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] || align="left"| 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before || align="center" |Problem description complete | |||
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|align="center"| No easy way to compare current approved with current draft version ||align="center"| 2 ||align="center"| extend diff (if possible) ||align="center"| workaround '''Only if approved version has not been changed independently!''': (0) Add <nowiki>&diff=cur</nowiki> to the url of the approved revision of the draft. If that is too complicated, you can get there in the following three steps too: (1) Go to an approved article's [[Complex number/Approval|Approval subpage]], (2) Follow the link to [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Complex_number/Draft&oldid=100533989 the latest approved version], (3) The [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Complex_number/Draft&diff=cur&oldid=100533989 "diff"] link after "Current revision" gives you the difference, and its content will update automatically when new edits to the draft have been made || align="left"|Current possibility: Paste approved version into draft, use "view changes" <br> //Has to be included into {{tl|Approval}} by adding <nowiki>&diff=cur</nowiki> to the url of the approved revision of the draft, along with a brief statement that this is the difference. ||align="left"|[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] || align="left"| 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before || align="center" |Problem description missing | |||
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| align="center" | Further information not linked from bottom of page || align="center" | 2 || align="center" | changing {{tl|Subpages}}|| align="center" | [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Scarborough_Castle&oldid=100561059 a demo] [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Test_articleA demo2]|| align="left" | [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,1679.msg23150.html#msg23150 Forum thread]<br />Having additional links at the bottom may also help solve the problem discussed at [[Talk:Economics#Article format section]]. || align="left" |[[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]], [[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] || align="left"| 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before || align="center" |Problem description missing | |||
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|align="center"| Every subpage has a talk page ||align="center"| 2 ||align="center"| reduce this to one per cluster ||align="center"| the subpages template always leads to the cluster's talk page, but the "discussion" tab does not ||align="left"| [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Talk:Singer-songwriter/Catalogs&curid=100145483&diff=100628456&oldid=100628451 see this edit summary] ||align="left"|[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] ||align="left"|21:30, 21 January 2010 (UTC) || | |||
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| Printable version contains unneeded material (frame,links) || align="center" | 2 || change layout and content || || "Monobook" and "Modern" print only the content of the page || [[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] || align="left"| 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before || align="center" |Problem description missing | |||
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|align="center"| Allow more than 1 abc-field in Metadata ||align="center"| 2 ||align="center"| ||align="center"| ||align="left"| Would allow to put a page at two (or more) places in alphabet ||align="left"|[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] ||align="left"|14:27, 11 December 2009 (UTC) || | |||
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|align="center"| Content of frame/header/footer: Can it be better organized? ||align="center"| 2 ||align="center"| review, evaluate, improve ||align="center"| ||align="left"| includes some of the other topics ||align="left"|[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] ||align="left"|22:48, 24 October 2009 (UTC) || | |||
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|align="center"| "Did you know?" section on Welcome page ||align="center"| 2 ||align="center"| could be similar to [[CZ:Quotes]] ||align="center"| ||align="center"| [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,3139.msg28830.html Forum thread] ||align="left"|[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]]||align="left"|13:13, 26 June 2010 (UTC) || align="center" |Problem description incomplete | |||
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|align="center"| No templates for numbered equations ||align="center"| 2 ||align="center"| [[Template:Num-equ|write them up]] ||align="center"| A HTML workaround can be seen at [[Sturm-Liouville theory]], discussed [[Sturm-Liouville theory#Numbered equations|here]] ||align="left"| So much HTML code here on wiki is error-prone ||align="left"|[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]]||align="left"|15:45, 15 October 2009 (UTC) || align="center" |Problem description complete | |||
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|align="center" | The title of subpages is displayed with an "<nowiki> > </nowiki>", which is an unnecessary burden for copy/pasting page titles while editing|| align="center" |1||align="center" |Change it to "<nowiki>/</nowiki>" in the MediaWiki settings || align="center" |none || align="center" |[http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,2964.0.html Forum thread] || align="center" |[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] || align="left"| 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before || align="center" |Problem description complete | |||
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{| class="wikitable sortable" | |||
| align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Problem''' | |||
| align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Priority''' | |||
| align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Solution''' | |||
| align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Possible trial solution''' | |||
| align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Comments''' | |||
| align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Contact person''' | |||
| align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Date filed''' | |||
| align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Status''' | |||
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| align="center" | The [[CZ:Healing Arts Workgroup|Healing Arts Workgroup]] currently allows advocates of fringe positions to act as editors.|| align="center" | 4 || align="center" |merge it with the [[CZ:Health Sciences Workgroup|Health Sciences Workgroup]] || align="center" | none, though in principle, one could just merge the respective categories of the type [[:Category:Healing Arts Content]] and [[:Category:Health Sciences Content]] || align="left" | [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,2919.msg24406.html#msg24406 Forum thread]|| align="left" |please add your name here, [[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] || align="left"| 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before || align="center" |[http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,3606.msg38505.html#msg38505 Solved] | |||
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|align="center"| Obtrusive [[Template:Metadata to finish|requests to edit subpages]] ||align="center"| 3 ||align="center"| restrict to logged-in users, if possible ||align="center"| ||align="left"| ||align="left"|[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]]|| align="left"| 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before || align="left" |[http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=User_talk:Chris_Day&oldid=100631279#Too_many_pop-up__alert_messages_when_starting_a_new_article Solved] | |||
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| align="center" | Confusing message on Lemma pages || align="center" | 1 || align="center" | change wording on Lemma pages only || align="center" | || align="left" | [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,2917.0.html Forum thread] || align="left" | [[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] || align="center"| 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before || align="left" |[http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Template:Lemma&curid=100091956&diff=100586450&oldid=100462659 Solved] | |||
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Latest revision as of 05:06, 8 March 2024
This page is meant to collect ideas on how to make CZ better, both in a fundamental or incremental way, with a focus on practical rather than theoretical improvements. We need an overview here, so please do not use more than about 50 words per field and link to other pages (on the forum, or in the CZ or user namespaces) if further information is necessary.
Please sort by priority (from 5=crucial to 1=nice to have to 0=neutral to -1=counterproductive), and if a problem was solved, move it to the dedicated table at the bottom of this page.
To do
Problem | Priority | Solution | Possible trial solution | Comments | Contact person | Date filed | Status |
default skin is not user-friendly | 5 | change it | can be changed for logged-in users via preferences | Forum thread | Daniel Mietchen | 08:37, 30 October 2009 (UTC) | |
The current "Elem Infobox" template has no way for listing properties like IUPAC name, CAS number, molecular mass, boiling point, melting point, density, specific heat, refractive. index, etc. It also has no counterpart for compounds as well as elements. | 5 | We need a template placing a standard table on main article edit pages that can be used to list/add/delete/revise properties for elements and for compounds. Perhaps one such template for elements and one for compounds. | Look at the table I created on the edit page of Water and how it displays on the main article page | Look at table I also created on Water/Other Properties for listing more properties, if appropriate. | Milton Beychok | 21:40, 27 October 2009 (UTC) | a test version for such a template can be found at Template:PropList |
Better search facilities (even the expert search does not even allow a "*" wildcard) | 5 | allow wildcards, and, or, etc. | Peter Schmitt | 01:06, 26 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
No established relationship with external organizations | 5 | Potential partners | Trial Partnership | Talk Page CZ:Become a Partner |
Dan Nessett | 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before | Problem description missing |
WP credit often vanishes | 4 | include in Metadata | This would also allow other sources to be credited properly | Peter Schmitt, Daniel Mietchen | 20:43, 14 October 2009 (UTC) | ||
no policy on installing extensions | 4 | draft one | ask Greg | Forum thread | Daniel Mietchen | 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before | Problem description missing |
Some search engines display our disclaimer rather than useful page summaries, thus keeping visitors away | 4 | display the definition on the cluster's main page rather than on the talk page | demo | Forum thread on demo Forum thread on problem due to demo | Daniel Mietchen | 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before | Problem description missing |
Is there a simpler implementation of the subpages mechanism? | 3 | Perhaps by using of namespaces? | Peter Schmitt | 00:24, 25 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
Moving clusters and deleting redirects are likely to leave orphaned pages behind | 3 | Can the move mechanics be improved? | Peter Schmitt | 00:28, 25 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
much of our best content is hidden to occasional visitors, and CZ:Article of the Week / Archive:New Draft of the Week require more energy than we seem to have on a permanent basis | 3 | Display the introductory parts of approved articles on the CZ:Welcome Page by means of transclusion and random selection (as already practices for CZ:Quotes. | CZ:Article of the Week / Archive:New Draft of the Week as well as CZ:Quotes, all of which have been in operation for a while | Forum thread | Daniel Mietchen | 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before | Problem description missing |
Technical approval mechanics: Can it be simplified? | 3 | Can branches of the revision control be used? | Peter Schmitt | 20:43, 14 October 2009 (UTC) | Is copy and paste indeed the best method? | ||
no policy on bots and scripts | 3 | draft one | document all your bot and script runs; bots using non-PWB scripts must operate with categories that allow for undo | Forum thread | Daniel Mietchen | 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before | Problem description missing |
No coherent guidance on Citations, References, and Bibliographies on CZ, and content overlap with External links | 3 | Solutions | Trials | Talk Page / Forum thread on merging Bibliography and External Links subpages | Dan Nessett, Daniel Mietchen | 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before | Problem description missing |
Special:Upload allows too few file types | 3 | change it | no demo needed | Forum thread | Daniel Mietchen | 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before | Problem description complete |
No easy way to compare current approved with current draft version | 2 | extend diff (if possible) | workaround Only if approved version has not been changed independently!: (0) Add &diff=cur to the url of the approved revision of the draft. If that is too complicated, you can get there in the following three steps too: (1) Go to an approved article's Approval subpage, (2) Follow the link to the latest approved version, (3) The "diff" link after "Current revision" gives you the difference, and its content will update automatically when new edits to the draft have been made | Current possibility: Paste approved version into draft, use "view changes" //Has to be included into {{Approval}} by adding &diff=cur to the url of the approved revision of the draft, along with a brief statement that this is the difference. |
Peter Schmitt | 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before | Problem description missing |
Further information not linked from bottom of page | 2 | changing {{Subpages}} | a demo demo2 | Forum thread Having additional links at the bottom may also help solve the problem discussed at Talk:Economics#Article format section. |
John Stephenson, Daniel Mietchen | 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before | Problem description missing |
Every subpage has a talk page | 2 | reduce this to one per cluster | the subpages template always leads to the cluster's talk page, but the "discussion" tab does not | see this edit summary | Daniel Mietchen | 21:30, 21 January 2010 (UTC) | |
Printable version contains unneeded material (frame,links) | 2 | change layout and content | "Monobook" and "Modern" print only the content of the page | Peter Schmitt | 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before | Problem description missing | |
Allow more than 1 abc-field in Metadata | 2 | Would allow to put a page at two (or more) places in alphabet | Peter Schmitt | 14:27, 11 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
Content of frame/header/footer: Can it be better organized? | 2 | review, evaluate, improve | includes some of the other topics | Peter Schmitt | 22:48, 24 October 2009 (UTC) | ||
"Did you know?" section on Welcome page | 2 | could be similar to CZ:Quotes | Forum thread | Daniel Mietchen | 13:13, 26 June 2010 (UTC) | Problem description incomplete | |
No templates for numbered equations | 2 | write them up | A HTML workaround can be seen at Sturm-Liouville theory, discussed here | So much HTML code here on wiki is error-prone | Daniel Mietchen | 15:45, 15 October 2009 (UTC) | Problem description complete |
The title of subpages is displayed with an " > ", which is an unnecessary burden for copy/pasting page titles while editing | 1 | Change it to "/" in the MediaWiki settings | none | Forum thread | Daniel Mietchen | 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before | Problem description complete |
Problem | Priority | Solution | demo/ trial/ workaround | Comments or Forum thread | contact person | replace with five tildes | Problem description missing |
Done
Problem | Priority | Solution | Possible trial solution | Comments | Contact person | Date filed | Status |
The Healing Arts Workgroup currently allows advocates of fringe positions to act as editors. | 4 | merge it with the Health Sciences Workgroup | none, though in principle, one could just merge the respective categories of the type Category:Healing Arts Content and Category:Health Sciences Content | Forum thread | please add your name here, Daniel Mietchen | 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before | Solved |
Obtrusive requests to edit subpages | 3 | restrict to logged-in users, if possible | Peter Schmitt | 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before | Solved | ||
Confusing message on Lemma pages | 1 | change wording on Lemma pages only | Forum thread | Daniel Mietchen | 11:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC) or before | Solved |