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| '''Welcome, new editor!''' We're very glad you've joined us. Here are pointers for a [[CZ:Quick Start|quick start]]. Also, when you get a chance, please read [[CZ:The Editor Role|The Editor Role]]. You can look at [[CZ:Getting Started|Getting Started]] for other helpful introductory pages. It is essential for you as an editor to join [https://lists.purdue.edu/mailman/listinfo/citizendium-editors the Citizendium-Editors (broadcast) mailing list] in order to stay abreast of editor-related issues, as well as the [[CZ:Mailing lists|mailing list(s)]] that concern your particular interests. It is also important, for project-wide matters, to join [https://lists.purdue.edu/mailman/listinfo/citizendium-l the Citizendium-L (broadcast) mailing list]. You can test out [[CZ:How to edit an article|editing]] in the [[CZ:Sandbox|sandbox]] if you'd like. If you need help to get going, the [http://forum.citizendium.org/ forums] is one option. That's also where we discuss policy and proposals. You can ask any [[:Category:CZ Constables|constable]] for help, too. Me, for instance! Just put a note on their "talk" page. Again, welcome and thank you! We appreciate your willingness to share your expertise, and we hope to see your edits on [[Special:Recentchanges|Recent changes]] soon. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 15:17, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
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| Howard, your categories are listed on the bottom of your user page. You can still be an author for any category you like and add the appropriate category tag to your home page. I see by your comment that also got fed up with the vandalism at WP. I got sick of making the same corrections repeatedly, with explainations and references, for experiments I know like the back of my hand. You might find [[CZ:Introduction to CZ for Wikipedians]] especially helpful also. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 15:52, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
| | '''If you have something to say to me, feel free to email. If it relates to an article, I certainly will respond appropriately on article talk pages, and recommend Workgroup or Subgroup talk pages for content issues.''' [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 00:56, 3 April 2011 (UTC) |
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| Another Wiki-gee joins the crew, I see! :-) [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 12:58, 30 April 2008 (CDT)
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| == Welcome to another WP refugee ==
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| Welcome. You can always take your (uncompromised) WP contribution of 2<sup>n</sup> hacks ago (yes, the number of WP hacks is usually exponential) and start here with that version. Enjoy. --[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 09:52, 1 May 2008 (CDT)
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| Hi Howard, welcome aboard. And don't forget the forums if you need help. This place can be quiet at times but new people keep arriving. It's slowing building momentum. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 10:17, 1 May 2008 (CDT)
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| Just so you know [[Historical examples of military swarming]] is not a subpage of [[Swarming (military)]] it is a different article that goes into more depth in one area. I'll set up and example of related articles at [[Swarming (military)/Related Articles]]. For a better example see [[Biology/Related Articles]]. Don't worry you'll get there. I'll set up the subpages template at the top of those two articles too. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 16:20, 2 May 2008 (CDT)
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| :OK I made a start. For the related page subpage we typically use the template <nowiki>{{r|related article}}</nowiki> format. Which wil show a bulleted link to the relate article AND a definition. If the definition is not present you will see a red link. You can click on that red link and write the definition. Note i added a definition blurb for two the related articles that I added to [[Swarming (military)/Related Articles]]. i don't know the field well enough to judge the parent and sub topics. That's where you come in. Another option is that you could put your own hierarchy on the page. Really it is up to you. For more information see [[CZ:Related Articles]]. Feel free to ask more questions. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 16:48, 2 May 2008 (CDT)
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| Great, just saw your edits to [[Swarming (military)/Related Articles]], you're getting the hang of it :) [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 17:02, 2 May 2008 (CDT)
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| Hi Howard, I noticed your post on Noel Chiappa's user talk page, and then I came to your page. Just want to say I'm delighted you've joined us here. My opinion is, that our networking articles (last time I looked, maybe 3 months ago) could use a complete overhaul. Please just dig in wherever you see a need![[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 15:15, 3 May 2008 (CDT)
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| I saw your note in the Recent Changes. I assume that move was what you wanted. If not, let me know and I can move it back. [[User:John Dvorak|John Dvorak]] 19:13, 3 May 2008 (CDT)
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| :I think he was talking about what to do with the template:HIPAA/metadata page once the name was changed. It is easiest to ''MOVE'' the template:HIPAA/metadata ''BEFORE'' you move the page because it is almost impossible to find after you move the page. I've deleted it for now. --[[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 19:52, 3 May 2008 (CDT)
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| :Also notice the [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/HIPAA/Approval HIPAA/Approval] page needed to be moved as well. you can then delete the redirects... --[[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 19:56, 3 May 2008 (CDT)
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| ==Not sure what happened on HIPAA==
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| :::I'm not sure what happened. Before I started writing the page, I had searched, but only on the full text of the law, not "HIPAA". When I created metadata, it was for "Health Insurance Portability and Access Act". IIRC, I did at least 2 saves on the lengthy material before getting an edit conflict.
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| :::This is only a guess, but I suspect someone else started creating an article under HIPAA while I was writing under the long title, so the edit conflict hit only when we both had created main article text. The metadata probably didn't conflict.
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| :::There is a style question here: should articles about laws be named with the short or long title? I'm inclined to do long title, and then a redirect for the well-known abbreviation.
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| [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 20:09, 3 May 2008 (CDT)
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| I'm betting that John created that redirect at the same time you were saving. As far as naming, see [[CZ:Naming conventions]] (don't forget to look at the talk page) for the rules we have so far. As a sysop/constable, that is all that I can go by, the rest are considered editorial/content decisions and can vary depending on the workgroup and how each wants to handle their particular situations. Your scenario sounds reasonable to me, but if you want to be sure, consider returning to the workgroup home page and leaving a message there - or find an editor and see if you can start a process to create a policy that can be a guideline for future situations. We're still very much in the building stages and your input is very important. You can always drop me a note, too, and I'll do my best to least point you in the right direction! --[[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 20:24, 3 May 2008 (CDT)
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| : Yes, I saw your note in the edit summary and took it to mean that you needed help moving a page. I guess I was wrong. My bad. [[User:John Dvorak|John Dvorak]] 20:31, 3 May 2008 (CDT)
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| Umm, generally we start subpage names with a capital letter. Also, there are a bunch of predefined subpage types which are predefined system-wide; check out [[CZ:Subpages]] (documentation) and [[Template:Subpage list/Doc]] for the predefined ones. For those, you don't need to fiddle the metadata - just create them, and they show up in the subpages nav bar. Also, make sure to add {{tl|subpages}} at the top of any new subpage to tie together all the subpages in a [[CZ:Article structure|cluster]].
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| So I moved BGP/advanced to BGP/Advanced, and renamed /operations to /Operations. (There didn't seem to be a subpage of that name yet.) [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 09:16, 4 May 2008 (CDT)
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| :Thanks! It will take a while to converge. Rightly or wrongly, the impression I had from what I had read here was that the metadata page was necessary to make things happen. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 09:56, 4 May 2008 (CDT)
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| :: Can you let me know where you got that impression (about the metadata), and I'll try and improve the documentation? Yes, you do need the metadata to make clusters work, but adding any of the system-wide subpage types to an existing cluster doesn't need any additional tweaking in the metadata. Thanks. [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 10:20, 4 May 2008 (CDT)
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| :::If I wasn't confused, I'd probably know better what confused me. :-) Seriously, I am going to have to look at it in detail. I have limited time today (job interview tomorrow) and may not be spending much time on this until late Monday or sometime on Tuesday.
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| :::Incidentally, is it (I hope) the convention here to keep talk page conversations on one page rather than split between the people in the discussion?
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| Actually, (sorry to butt in but I happened to look in) all article titles are supposed to be lower case unless they are proper nouns. This also includes subpages. Given that the software defaults to upper case I find this silly, but this is the policy that Larry insists on...[[User:Martin Baldwin-Edwards|Martin Baldwin-Edwards]] 09:59, 4 May 2008 (CDT)
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| : If you look at [[Template:Subpage list/Doc]] you'll see that ''all'' the pre-defined ones start with a capital letter. I'm at a bit of a loss to explain how this matches up with Larry's preference that you describe - I would have assumed that if the capitalization didn't match his wishes, he'd have said something by now. Anyway, until this gets worked out, probably best to make the per-article ones (which aren't yet policy - Chris just wrote the Proposal for them) uppercase to match. [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 10:18, 4 May 2008 (CDT)
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