Talk:Félix d'Hérelle/Draft

Approval area

David Tribe has made no more than typographical adjustments to the page and is not an author. However he is expert in the field and teaches senior year college courses in this topic. But the author is more expert than David Tribe

URL pointer first set at http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/F%C3%A9lix_d%27H%C3%A9relleDavid Tribe 23:39, 21 June 2007 (CDT) Approval date delayed till Jul 2 to allow image copyright issues to be resolved David Tribe 04:33, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

I see this date for approval has passed and I also notice that there are several edits that have occurred after the pointer date. I will give David till the end of the day to evaluate as he is on the other side of this fair planet. --Matt Innis (Talk) 10:44, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

Updated pointer http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=F%C3%A9lix_d%27H%C3%A9relle&oldid=100128050 David Tribe 02:36, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

Go ahead with updated pointer Mr Innis please. David Tribe 02:36, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

Article is approved with version assigned by the updated pointer per Professor Tribe. --Matt Innis (Talk) 08:41, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

Images

Unless it is something about French copyright law, or something else, Image:D'Herelle,_Eliava,_Makashvili.JPG and Image:Older_d'Herelle.jpg would not seem to qualify as {{PD}} (Public Domain) images. Help me out here, someone please. ---Stephen Ewen 14:26, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

These photos are old and the provenance is murky. The former was taken at the Eliava Institute in the Soviet Union, which I am pretty sure did not even HAVE copyright law at the time. It was published in Science 25 October 2002:Vol. 298. no. 5594, pp. 728 - 731 DOI: 10.1126/science.298.5594.728 and credited COURTESY OF A. SULAKVELIDZE who is Alexander Sulakvelidze, a founder of Intralytix Inc. The latter is reproduced in many places without any indication given for its source. --John J. Dennehy 22:24, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

Okay, but don't you think we should avoid outrightly calling photos "Public Domain" when we lack the authority to do so? Probably public domain does not equal public domain.

• Image:D'Herelle,_Eliava,_Makashvili.JPG - I will email Intralytix about the image.

• Image:Older_d'Herelle.jpg - this should be tagged by an editor with

{{Provenanceunknown-fairuse-editor
|editor name=
|workgroup name=
|article name=
}}

See {{Provenanceunknown-fairuse-editor}} for what the template says.

Ideally, Image talk:Older_d'Herelle.jpg/Permission should contain documented attempts to locate the copyright holder; David or John, perhaps you can make a statement there saying simply that the image is reproduced in many places without any indication given for its source, so there has been no lead to even try to follow.

Stephen Ewen 00:49, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

Correction (and apologies for any of my own unsigned comments), but it is likely the "unsigned" comment was not mine but John 's, the main author. Not a major issue anyway, but trying to keep the record straight. Thanks for welcome advice on copyright too David Tribe 01:19, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

Oops. Thanks, I fixed the signature. I have also emailed Intralytix to just simply get permission to use Image:D'Herelle,_Eliava,_Makashvili.JPG, or find out with more certainty is its status. The other image still needs tagging by an editor with {{Provenanceunknown-fairuse-editor}}. Or, an editor can just give me the okay here and I will do the busy work. Stephen Ewen 01:51, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

Another image issue

Sorry to be stickler about these things, but I hope you see the value in it. Image:Gamma_phage.gif is not actually a {{cc-by-2.5}} but is used in the PLoS journal article under fair use(hence the language on the image page, "Photograph courtesy of Vincent Fischetti and Raymond Schuch, The Rockefeller University"). PLoS, like Citizendium, uses images under a wide variety of terms, while trying to use them most under CC-by-2.5. Like it states, "All journal content, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution License."

So, what needs doing is:

• An editor needs to use {{Fairuse-editor}} on the image upload page of Image:Gamma_phage.gif. To use the template, place

{{Fairuse-editor
|copyright holder URL=http://www.rockefeller.edu/
|copyright holder name=Vincent Fischetti and Raymond Schuch
|editor name=
|workgroup name=Biology
|article name=Félix d'Hérelle
|source country=United States
}}

• A fair use rationale needs to be added to the image page addressing:

1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

• Alternately, an editor can just give me the okay here and I will do the busy work for them. :-)

• Meanwhile, I have emailed Dr. Fischer to just get permission to use the image!

Stephen Ewen 02:24, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

WP checkbox

This article still has many sentences from WP, should it be checkboxed? Yi Zhe Wu 11:05, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

What Yi says is true. John, did you write this at WP? If not, we will otherwise need to check the from WP box. ---Stephen Ewen 00:22, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

Its pretty obvious that John DID write this at WP from the subject matter and the quality. If you read his background he's one of the world experts on the topic. David Tribe 17:23, 1 July 2007 (CDT)

Given my careful and detailed looking into this matter at WP, the checkbox needs to remain checked on this article in its current form.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 03:38, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

Images (again)

Regarding:

• Image:Gamma_phage.gif
• Image:Older_d'Herelle.jpg
• Image:D'Herelle,_Eliava,_Makashvili.JPG

All that needs doing now is that any editor of the Biology Workgroup needs to visit the links, click edit, and add their name to the place in the template where it says "Add editor name here":

|editor name=Add editor name here

They're otherwise all set to go, including in attributions in the image boxes in the article.

 —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 01:37, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

I see David took care of this.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 02:11, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

Spelling

Unless this is a personal idiosyncracy of Larry's, or is clearly noted somewhere in the Style guides, I think that the second sentence should begin with a capital D. Think about Charles de Gaulle. One can write: "In 1942 de Gaulle said to Churchill...." But one writes: "De Gaulle said to Churchill that...." because it is the start of a sentence, thereby invaliding the other usage. Hayford Peirce 11:09, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

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Spelling 2

I've just made a few corrections:

• Added the missing accent aigu in all occurences of d'Hérelle.
• Changed his wife's first name to "Marie-Claire" even though I have no source at hand to verify (anyone?). Two things are sure, though: "Marie Caire" is no French first name and 99% of composite first names are hyphenated.
• In the bibliography, French titles were capitalized as if they were in English, which is very odd as we normally use sentence case or a capital on the first substantive following a definite article.

Laurent Brun 15:02, 17 November 2007 (CST)