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==Disambiguate?== | ==Disambiguate?== | ||
As a Brit, when I think of New York the city rather than the state comes to mind. I would argue that either this should be a disambiguation page pointing to both [[New York city]] and something like [[New York (state)]]. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 04:00, 25 April 2007 (CDT) | As a Brit, when I think of New York the city rather than the state comes to mind. I would argue that either this should be a disambiguation page pointing to both [[New York city]] and something like [[New York (U.S. state)]]. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 04:00, 25 April 2007 (CDT) | ||
:: Even though I live in a rural part [[New York State]], far away from [[New York City]] itself, I agree that calling the state simply "New York" is counter-intuitive. I know through experience that I can never say that I'm from New York without people thinking I'm from the city. On the other hand, consistency within a reference document is also important. Wikipedia calls all US states by their simple name (e.g. [[New York]] or [[Washington]], and not [[New York State]] or [[Washington State]]) to differentiate them from similarly named cities ([[New York City]] and [[Washington, DC]]). I personally like the idea of giving ambiguous article names their own disambiguation pages that point to all possible uses of the name rather than making the assumption that the name is more commonly associated any particular meaning: [[Washington]] would be a disambiguation pointing to [[George Washington]], [[Washington (state)]], [[Washington, DC]], and the numerous other Washingtons. It would be wrong to assume that the name [[Washington]] is most commonly associated with the state of Washington. [[User:Randy Nonenmacher|Randy Nonenmacher]] 13:15, 6 May 2007 (CDT) | :: Even though I live in a rural part [[New York State]], far away from [[New York, New York|New York City]] itself, I agree that calling the state simply "New York" is counter-intuitive. I know through experience that I can never say that I'm from New York without people thinking I'm from the city. On the other hand, consistency within a reference document is also important. Wikipedia calls all US states by their simple name (e.g. [[New York (disambiguation)|New York]] or [[Washington (U.S. state)]], and not [[New York State]] or [[Washington State]]) to differentiate them from similarly named cities ([[New York, New York|New York City]] and [[Washington, DC]]). I personally like the idea of giving ambiguous article names their own disambiguation pages that point to all possible uses of the name rather than making the assumption that the name is more commonly associated any particular meaning: [[Washington (U.S. state)]] would be a disambiguation pointing to [[George Washington]], [[Washington (U.S. state)]], [[Washington, DC]], and the numerous other Washingtons. It would be wrong to assume that the name [[Washington (U.S. state)]] is most commonly associated with the state of Washington. [[User:Randy Nonenmacher|Randy Nonenmacher]] 13:15, 6 May 2007 (CDT) | ||
:::Well, FYI, complete consistency will be impossible to achieve, unless the state of Georgia gets the rights to [[Georgia]] in place of the south Caucasian country.—[[User:Nat Krause|Nat Krause]] 15:50, 6 May 2007 (CDT) | :::Well, FYI, complete consistency will be impossible to achieve, unless the state of Georgia gets the rights to [[Georgia]] in place of the south Caucasian country.—[[User:Nat Krause|Nat Krause]] 15:50, 6 May 2007 (CDT) | ||
:: Good point -- I forgot about that one. — [[User:Randy Nonenmacher|Randy Nonenmacher]] 16:56, 6 May 2007 (CDT) | :: Good point -- I forgot about that one. — [[User:Randy Nonenmacher|Randy Nonenmacher]] 16:56, 6 May 2007 (CDT) | ||
:::Page moved. [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 15:54, 28 July 2007 (CDT) | |||
==Add more to article?== | ==Add more to article?== | ||
Latest revision as of 08:39, 5 August 2023
Disambiguate?
As a Brit, when I think of New York the city rather than the state comes to mind. I would argue that either this should be a disambiguation page pointing to both New York city and something like New York (U.S. state). John Stephenson 04:00, 25 April 2007 (CDT)
- Even though I live in a rural part New York State, far away from New York City itself, I agree that calling the state simply "New York" is counter-intuitive. I know through experience that I can never say that I'm from New York without people thinking I'm from the city. On the other hand, consistency within a reference document is also important. Wikipedia calls all US states by their simple name (e.g. New York or Washington (U.S. state), and not New York State or Washington State) to differentiate them from similarly named cities (New York City and Washington, DC). I personally like the idea of giving ambiguous article names their own disambiguation pages that point to all possible uses of the name rather than making the assumption that the name is more commonly associated any particular meaning: Washington (U.S. state) would be a disambiguation pointing to George Washington, Washington (U.S. state), Washington, DC, and the numerous other Washingtons. It would be wrong to assume that the name Washington (U.S. state) is most commonly associated with the state of Washington. Randy Nonenmacher 13:15, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
- Well, FYI, complete consistency will be impossible to achieve, unless the state of Georgia gets the rights to Georgia in place of the south Caucasian country.—Nat Krause 15:50, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
- Good point -- I forgot about that one. — Randy Nonenmacher 16:56, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
- Page moved. Yi Zhe Wu 15:54, 28 July 2007 (CDT)
- Good point -- I forgot about that one. — Randy Nonenmacher 16:56, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
Add more to article?
This article is skimpy. However, everyone is busy so it's too big a task for one person. How about subdiving it into sections?
How about: Geography (including Catskill Mountains, major cities) / Government / History (early history) / History (1900-2007) / Population (mention about immigration?) / Transportation / Economy (mention that it is a financial center, at least NYC) / Culture (Lincoln Center, Baseball Hall of Fame, Guggenheim, Metropolitan Museum of Art, etc.) / etc.
I am willing to do transportation and history (starting from now and working back). Others may butt in and alter what I write. Larry Yount 15:13, 28 July 2007 (CDT)