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==BOINC==
==BOINC==
I don't really have any expertise in this area, so I can't help much with the article, but you'll probably want to include projects other than seti@home that run on the BOINC platform - maybe in a section specifically about BOINC? - see here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] | [[User talk:Joe Quick|Talk]] 11:20, 23 February 2007 (CST)
I don't really have any expertise in this area, so I can't help much with the article, but you'll probably want to include projects other than seti@home that run on the BOINC platform - maybe in a section specifically about BOINC? - see here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] | [[User talk:Joe Quick|Talk]] 11:20, 23 February 2007 (CST)
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[[User:Robert Tito|Robert Tito]] | [[User talk:Robert Tito|Talk]] 17:18, 23 February 2007 (CST)


Can we link this page to [[Computer language]]? preferrably GNU gcc, java are used in these programs. [[User:Robert Tito|Robert Tito]] | [[User talk:Robert Tito|Talk]] 14:33, 26 February 2007 (CST)
* If you said that recursive functions are one of the typical aims of distributed computing, I would agree. But the ''calculation'' is often done iteratively (as the function is end-recursive). --[[User:Markus Baumeister|Markus Baumeister]] 17:35, 26 February 2007 (CST)
* True but the iterative partial results are part of a recursive ''total''. [[User:Robert Tito|Robert Tito]] | [[User talk:Robert Tito|Talk]] 17:43, 26 February 2007 (CST)
* Well, if you say so, I'm not a mathematician. I just wanted to point out the misunderstandable formulation (i.e. the calculations done on the nodes will often not be recursive). --[[User:Markus Baumeister|Markus Baumeister]] 18:03, 26 February 2007 (CST)
 
Can we link this page to [[Programming language]]? preferrably GNU gcc, java are used in these programs. [[User:Robert Tito|Robert Tito]] | [[User talk:Robert Tito|Talk]] 14:33, 26 February 2007 (CST)
 
* (this got lost by overlapping edits) I would suggest not to force linking. In the end every program needs a a programming language but we don't want to refer from nearly overall to that article. BTW, distributed computing and especially parallel computing profits much from not using imperative languages like C(++) or java but automatically parallelizeable ones (like I don't know). --[[User:Markus Baumeister|Markus Baumeister]] 18:03, 26 February 2007 (CST)
 
== Distributed computation? ==
 
Sorry to be the one constantly criticizing titles. But I know this topic as Distributed '''Computing'''. And several web pages do so too, like: http://www.distributed.net/ (the original cow cracking DES (I participated)), http://www.distributedcomputing.info/ and of course everyone's new darling http://boinc.berkeley.edu/intro.php. --[[User:Markus Baumeister|Markus Baumeister]] 17:35, 26 February 2007 (CST)
 
I can agree to that, I will move the page to distributed computing - if none will object. [[User:Robert Tito|Robert Tito]] | [[User talk:Robert Tito|Talk]] 17:43, 26 February 2007 (CST)
 
 
== Drawbacks and disadvantages ==
 
The first two paragraphs of this very clearly refer to general problems of distributed ''systems'' (it even uses that term) not specifically computing. The quote (I also don't know if it is really from Lamport) is typically related to systems like NFS which, at least in former times, managed to bring down whole institutes despite slave servers, etc. .
 
The third and forth paragraph then refer to general problems of parallel computing (although worsened here by the size and lack of speed of the connecting network).
 
I'm not sure what to do about that. Maybe mentioning that we have this join of problems may be enough, maybe more changes are necessary. --[[User:Markus Baumeister|Markus Baumeister]] 18:00, 26 February 2007 (CST)
 
== Beowulf is not distributed -- it is grid ==
 
I don't believe Beowulf clusters are examples of distributed computation.  I believe they are examples of grid computation.  Can anyone confirm or deny this?--[[User:Nick Johnson|Nick Johnson]] 13:29, 11 April 2007 (CDT)
 
==From Wikipedia?==
 
What part of this is from Wikipedia?  It looks like the tag appeared during the Big Clean-up, but I can't see anything in here (or in the history) that looks like it was part of the WP article.  I left it checked because I wasn't sure, but is there some way to make this a non-WP-derived article?  It appears to be at least mostly non-WP.  -- [[User:ZachPruckowski|ZachPruckowski]] ([[User_talk:ZachPruckowski|Speak to me]]) 09:46, 7 September 2007 (CDT)
 
==Distributed computing vs grid computing==
 
I think it would be interesting to work on the difference between distributed computing and grid computing. A good source for this could be http://www.jatit.org/distributed-computing/grid-vs-distributed.htm
[[User:JeromeDelacroix|JeromeDelacroix]] 02:07, 5 November 2007 (CST)
 
==Absence of references==
There is a lack of attribution, which in an article of this type is a worry. Just as an aside, I love that the discussion of this article is longer than the article itself! ;) [[User:David H. Barrett|David H. Barrett]] 14:04, 27 August 2008 (CDT)

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BOINC

I don't really have any expertise in this area, so I can't help much with the article, but you'll probably want to include projects other than seti@home that run on the BOINC platform - maybe in a section specifically about BOINC? - see here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php --Joe Quick | Talk 11:20, 23 February 2007 (CST)


I think projects like SETI, FOLDING@HOME and others are perfect examples for its deployment. Robert Tito | Talk 11:21, 23 February 2007 (CST)

recursive calculations

these are the most used calculations used, based upon a small dataset and a simple formula trying to calculate a "best Value average" for a property at a certain point of time in the flow of the total process Robert Tito | Talk 17:18, 23 February 2007 (CST)

  • If you said that recursive functions are one of the typical aims of distributed computing, I would agree. But the calculation is often done iteratively (as the function is end-recursive). --Markus Baumeister 17:35, 26 February 2007 (CST)
  • True but the iterative partial results are part of a recursive total. Robert Tito | Talk 17:43, 26 February 2007 (CST)
  • Well, if you say so, I'm not a mathematician. I just wanted to point out the misunderstandable formulation (i.e. the calculations done on the nodes will often not be recursive). --Markus Baumeister 18:03, 26 February 2007 (CST)

Can we link this page to Programming language? preferrably GNU gcc, java are used in these programs. Robert Tito | Talk 14:33, 26 February 2007 (CST)

  • (this got lost by overlapping edits) I would suggest not to force linking. In the end every program needs a a programming language but we don't want to refer from nearly overall to that article. BTW, distributed computing and especially parallel computing profits much from not using imperative languages like C(++) or java but automatically parallelizeable ones (like I don't know). --Markus Baumeister 18:03, 26 February 2007 (CST)

Distributed computation?

Sorry to be the one constantly criticizing titles. But I know this topic as Distributed Computing. And several web pages do so too, like: http://www.distributed.net/ (the original cow cracking DES (I participated)), http://www.distributedcomputing.info/ and of course everyone's new darling http://boinc.berkeley.edu/intro.php. --Markus Baumeister 17:35, 26 February 2007 (CST)

I can agree to that, I will move the page to distributed computing - if none will object. Robert Tito | Talk 17:43, 26 February 2007 (CST)


Drawbacks and disadvantages

The first two paragraphs of this very clearly refer to general problems of distributed systems (it even uses that term) not specifically computing. The quote (I also don't know if it is really from Lamport) is typically related to systems like NFS which, at least in former times, managed to bring down whole institutes despite slave servers, etc. .

The third and forth paragraph then refer to general problems of parallel computing (although worsened here by the size and lack of speed of the connecting network).

I'm not sure what to do about that. Maybe mentioning that we have this join of problems may be enough, maybe more changes are necessary. --Markus Baumeister 18:00, 26 February 2007 (CST)

Beowulf is not distributed -- it is grid

I don't believe Beowulf clusters are examples of distributed computation. I believe they are examples of grid computation. Can anyone confirm or deny this?--Nick Johnson 13:29, 11 April 2007 (CDT)

From Wikipedia?

What part of this is from Wikipedia? It looks like the tag appeared during the Big Clean-up, but I can't see anything in here (or in the history) that looks like it was part of the WP article. I left it checked because I wasn't sure, but is there some way to make this a non-WP-derived article? It appears to be at least mostly non-WP. -- ZachPruckowski (Speak to me) 09:46, 7 September 2007 (CDT)

Distributed computing vs grid computing

I think it would be interesting to work on the difference between distributed computing and grid computing. A good source for this could be http://www.jatit.org/distributed-computing/grid-vs-distributed.htm JeromeDelacroix 02:07, 5 November 2007 (CST)

Absence of references

There is a lack of attribution, which in an article of this type is a worry. Just as an aside, I love that the discussion of this article is longer than the article itself! ;) David H. Barrett 14:04, 27 August 2008 (CDT)