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What is the purpose of placing this summary as the start of an entry on the novel? | What is the purpose of placing this summary as the start of an entry on the novel? | ||
[[User:Russell Potter|Russell Potter]] 20:42, 13 February 2007 (CST) | [[User:Russell Potter|Russell Potter]] 20:42, 13 February 2007 (CST) | ||
I have to agree (and a hearty welcome back to you, Russell). An article about a novel should be far more than a summary. --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 10:57, 18 February 2007 (CST) | |||
== Huck, Mark, etc. == | |||
Hi Larry -- well, ok, I couldn't resist lurking! | |||
I note that one of the red links in this article is Mark Twain himself -- whew! -- there's a tall order. But maybe one way to jump-start the Literature articles would be to send an e-mail invitation to some established authorities on Mark Twain (or any other similar major literary figure), and invite them to write the main entry article from scratch. In cases where you found a willing participant, these kinds of main entries would at least give CZ a type and quality of content that WP lacks. | |||
[[User:Russell Potter|Russell Potter]] 08:34, 19 February 2007 (CST) | |||
==Help needed== | |||
Oh my! Is all I can say about the quality of this article, especially the sophomoric writing. It was imported directly from a GNU site and the first paragraph appears to be unaltered. This is one of those articles where it is probably easier to start all over again than to attempt to rehabilitate the tortured "prose" that currently exists. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 18:36, 10 June 2007 (CDT) | |||
:Agreed! I'm no Twain expert, but I sure wish we had someone who was, or even an Americanist with some knowledge of HF! [[User:Russell Potter|Russell Potter]] 18:38, 10 June 2007 (CDT) | |||
::Ah, it's not that bad, better than my [[Brave New World]], experts are needed there too! [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 18:42, 10 June 2007 (CDT) | |||
:::I really wonder, and I'm not kidding about this, if this article shouldn't be marked for deletion by a constable, the way that The Catcher in the Rye was. That article was from the same source and was even more illiterate and simplistic. This one, at least, is at least literate at an extremely low level, as if it had been written by an intelligent 5th grader, but I hardly think that it is the kind of article by which CZ would like to be known. Comments? | |||
::::No, article [[Brave New World]] did not come from the same source, I wrote it based on my own reading and references from Sparknotes. Or you are talking about something else? [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 19:07, 10 June 2007 (CDT) | |||
:::::I'm talking about the Huck Finn article, of which this is the discussion page. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 19:10, 10 June 2007 (CDT) | |||
::::::Oh, sorry for confusion. [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 19:13, 10 June 2007 (CDT) | |||
:::I'm blanking the pages, as per the consensus here. 99% of it was from an external source, and had not been updated since February of 07. Nancy, saw your note, leaving the image so it won't be orphaned. [[User:Russell Potter|Russell Potter]] 19:17, 10 June 2007 (CDT)I | |||
==The book== | |||
I happen to have a 1st of this book, given to me years ago by a patient who was an antiquarian book dealer (and my friend). He had a shelf full of various 1sts of the book (there were many printings of the 1st edition) -told me the whole story of how the author hated the artist's illustrations, how Tom Sawyer had been such a success that a big printing was done for this one, how there were various mistakes in the printing, and that at one point the artist was so mad that in that plate where Aunt Sarah welcomes Huck thinking he is Tom, and she is looking down at her husband's below the belt region, the artist drew in an open fly with total exposure-- something that was not noticed until a bunch of the books went out (those are the really valuable ones, not the one I have) and there was a general uproar. Anyway- it's a good story and I will put it in. One of the reasons Mark Twain hated the drawings is how imbecilic they made Jim look. This section will look silly since the main article is not written and it will take me a while, but if it's ok perhaps we can leave it there until this article is so big it should have it's own spot? [[User:Nancy Sculerati|Nancy Sculerati]] 23:01, 10 June 2007 (CDT) | |||
== Moved from the mainspace == | |||
Fresh start | |||
The rest of this page has been blanked, as per consensus on its Talk page. I'm leaving the image so that it won't be orphaned. Let's have a fresh start. [[User:Russell Potter|Russell Potter]] 19:18, 10 June 2007 (CDT) |
Latest revision as of 06:08, 24 September 2007
What is the purpose of placing this summary as the start of an entry on the novel?
Russell Potter 20:42, 13 February 2007 (CST)
I have to agree (and a hearty welcome back to you, Russell). An article about a novel should be far more than a summary. --Larry Sanger 10:57, 18 February 2007 (CST)
Huck, Mark, etc.
Hi Larry -- well, ok, I couldn't resist lurking!
I note that one of the red links in this article is Mark Twain himself -- whew! -- there's a tall order. But maybe one way to jump-start the Literature articles would be to send an e-mail invitation to some established authorities on Mark Twain (or any other similar major literary figure), and invite them to write the main entry article from scratch. In cases where you found a willing participant, these kinds of main entries would at least give CZ a type and quality of content that WP lacks.
Russell Potter 08:34, 19 February 2007 (CST)
Help needed
Oh my! Is all I can say about the quality of this article, especially the sophomoric writing. It was imported directly from a GNU site and the first paragraph appears to be unaltered. This is one of those articles where it is probably easier to start all over again than to attempt to rehabilitate the tortured "prose" that currently exists. Hayford Peirce 18:36, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
- Agreed! I'm no Twain expert, but I sure wish we had someone who was, or even an Americanist with some knowledge of HF! Russell Potter 18:38, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
- Ah, it's not that bad, better than my Brave New World, experts are needed there too! Yi Zhe Wu 18:42, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
- I really wonder, and I'm not kidding about this, if this article shouldn't be marked for deletion by a constable, the way that The Catcher in the Rye was. That article was from the same source and was even more illiterate and simplistic. This one, at least, is at least literate at an extremely low level, as if it had been written by an intelligent 5th grader, but I hardly think that it is the kind of article by which CZ would like to be known. Comments?
- No, article Brave New World did not come from the same source, I wrote it based on my own reading and references from Sparknotes. Or you are talking about something else? Yi Zhe Wu 19:07, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
- I'm talking about the Huck Finn article, of which this is the discussion page. Hayford Peirce 19:10, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
- Oh, sorry for confusion. Yi Zhe Wu 19:13, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
- I'm talking about the Huck Finn article, of which this is the discussion page. Hayford Peirce 19:10, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
- No, article Brave New World did not come from the same source, I wrote it based on my own reading and references from Sparknotes. Or you are talking about something else? Yi Zhe Wu 19:07, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
- I'm blanking the pages, as per the consensus here. 99% of it was from an external source, and had not been updated since February of 07. Nancy, saw your note, leaving the image so it won't be orphaned. Russell Potter 19:17, 10 June 2007 (CDT)I
- I really wonder, and I'm not kidding about this, if this article shouldn't be marked for deletion by a constable, the way that The Catcher in the Rye was. That article was from the same source and was even more illiterate and simplistic. This one, at least, is at least literate at an extremely low level, as if it had been written by an intelligent 5th grader, but I hardly think that it is the kind of article by which CZ would like to be known. Comments?
The book
I happen to have a 1st of this book, given to me years ago by a patient who was an antiquarian book dealer (and my friend). He had a shelf full of various 1sts of the book (there were many printings of the 1st edition) -told me the whole story of how the author hated the artist's illustrations, how Tom Sawyer had been such a success that a big printing was done for this one, how there were various mistakes in the printing, and that at one point the artist was so mad that in that plate where Aunt Sarah welcomes Huck thinking he is Tom, and she is looking down at her husband's below the belt region, the artist drew in an open fly with total exposure-- something that was not noticed until a bunch of the books went out (those are the really valuable ones, not the one I have) and there was a general uproar. Anyway- it's a good story and I will put it in. One of the reasons Mark Twain hated the drawings is how imbecilic they made Jim look. This section will look silly since the main article is not written and it will take me a while, but if it's ok perhaps we can leave it there until this article is so big it should have it's own spot? Nancy Sculerati 23:01, 10 June 2007 (CDT)
Moved from the mainspace
Fresh start
The rest of this page has been blanked, as per consensus on its Talk page. I'm leaving the image so that it won't be orphaned. Let's have a fresh start. Russell Potter 19:18, 10 June 2007 (CDT)