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Somewhere along the way the list defined refs I initially used got changed to inline refs that did not use a {{tl|cite}} template.  I [https://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=Efforts_to_impeach_Ronald_Reagan&type=revision&diff=875596&oldid=875518 changed them back] to list defined.  [[User:George Swan|George Swan]] ([[User talk:George Swan|talk]]) 09:11, 21 December 2022 (CST)
Somewhere along the way the list defined refs I initially used got changed to inline refs that did not use a {{tl|cite}} template.  I [https://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=Efforts_to_impeach_Ronald_Reagan&type=revision&diff=875596&oldid=875518 changed them back] to list defined.  [[User:George Swan|George Swan]] ([[User talk:George Swan|talk]]) 09:11, 21 December 2022 (CST)
== wording... ==
# My very initial draft, of two years ago, used the full wording of the name of the bill.  Someone on the wikipedia shortened that.  I [https://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=Efforts_to_impeach_Ronald_Reagan&diff=next&oldid=875596 restored the bill's actual name]. 
# In [https://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=Efforts_to_impeach_Ronald_Reagan&diff=875514&oldid=875510 this change] links were made to [[POTUS]] and [[Ronald Reagan]], in the article's first sentence.  We don't '''have''' to copy the wikipedia convention that an article's first sentence should include the actual name of the article, in '''bold'''.  For long titles that can make for some slightly awkward wording.  But it is also very helpful for consistency and predictability.  <p>I read an interesting article about a linguist, who used this consistent convention to do interesting statistical analysis of wikipedia articles.  <p>We don't have to follow that convention, but I think most Citizendium articles do follow it.  [https://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=Efforts_to_impeach_Ronald_Reagan&diff=875514&oldid=875510 This change] to the wording meant the first sentence does not follow that convention.  [[User:George Swan|George Swan]] ([[User talk:George Swan|talk]]) 09:42, 21 December 2022 (CST)
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| During his eight years in office there were '''efforts to impeach Ronald Reagan''', but none of those efforts got so far as a vote by the lower house of [[Congress]]. || During his eight years in office (1981 - 1989), there were efforts to impeach [[President of the United States of America|U. S. president]] [[Ronald Reagan]], but none of those efforts got so far as a vote by the lower house of [[Congress]]. || During his eight years in office there were  '''efforts to impeach Ronald Reagan''', but none of those efforts got so far as a successful vote in the lower house of [[Congress]].  [[Ronald Reagan]] served as [[POTUS|President]] form 1981 to 1989, and bills to [[Impeaching a US President|impeach]] him were put forward in 1983 and 1987.
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Fix refs

Somewhere along the way the list defined refs I initially used got changed to inline refs that did not use a {{cite}} template. I changed them back to list defined. George Swan (talk) 09:11, 21 December 2022 (CST)

wording...

  1. My very initial draft, of two years ago, used the full wording of the name of the bill. Someone on the wikipedia shortened that. I restored the bill's actual name.
  2. In this change links were made to POTUS and Ronald Reagan, in the article's first sentence. We don't have to copy the wikipedia convention that an article's first sentence should include the actual name of the article, in bold. For long titles that can make for some slightly awkward wording. But it is also very helpful for consistency and predictability.

    I read an interesting article about a linguist, who used this consistent convention to do interesting statistical analysis of wikipedia articles.

    We don't have to follow that convention, but I think most Citizendium articles do follow it. This change to the wording meant the first sentence does not follow that convention. George Swan (talk) 09:42, 21 December 2022 (CST)

original wording current wording compromise convention following wording
During his eight years in office there were efforts to impeach Ronald Reagan, but none of those efforts got so far as a vote by the lower house of Congress. During his eight years in office (1981 - 1989), there were efforts to impeach U. S. president Ronald Reagan, but none of those efforts got so far as a vote by the lower house of Congress. During his eight years in office there were efforts to impeach Ronald Reagan, but none of those efforts got so far as a successful vote in the lower house of Congress. Ronald Reagan served as President form 1981 to 1989, and bills to impeach him were put forward in 1983 and 1987.