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[[User:Gareth Leng|Gareth Leng]] 10:24, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
[[User:Gareth Leng|Gareth Leng]] 10:24, 14 November 2010 (UTC)


I have blanked the page again, since I object to the whole tenor of the article, which is deliberately being written to support Howard's position in another dispute. i have referred the matter to the Constabulary and Ombudsman, and this will likely appear before the EC. [[User:Martin Baldwin-Edwards|Martin Baldwin-Edwards]] 11:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:I have blanked the page again, since I object to the whole tenor of the article, which is deliberately being written to support Howard's position in another dispute. i have referred the matter to the Constabulary and Ombudsman, and this will likely appear before the EC. [[User:Martin Baldwin-Edwards|Martin Baldwin-Edwards]] 11:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

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Blanking

This is not acceptable. I am now referring this to the ME and Constabulary. The article is not scientific and is written to win the argument about terminology. It has no references and NO SUPPORTING FACTS for the claims made in it. Just an opinion piece. Martin Baldwin-Edwards 00:11, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

I have also referred it to the Constabulary. It did, in fact, have one reference in the early draft that was blanked, as well as many wikilinks. I only discovered it was blanked when I was about to add references from the International Criminal Court
Even an Editor in a group can only mark something for deletion, or perhaps move the contents to the talk page. I am a History and Military Editor. Martin is not an editor in these groups or in Law. Howard C. Berkowitz 00:19, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
I don't want to revert the blanking, but let me save here what I was about to add:
The International Criminal Court has " jurisdiction over genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes. These crimes are defined in detail in the Rome Statute. In addition, a supplementary text of the “Elements of Crimes” provides a breakdown of the elements of each crime. " Its jurisdiction applies to both the direct perpetrators "as well as others who may be liable for the crimes, for example by aiding, abetting or otherwise assisting in the commission of a crime. The latter group also includes military commanders or other superiors whose responsibility is defined in the Statute." [1]
Given wikilinks to Hague Conventions, hostis humani generis, Kellogg-Briand Pact and Geneva Conventions, I'd hardly call the article unsourced. Now, it would be one thing to claim ownership, and not take edits, but it's hard to edit that which was blanked. Howard C. Berkowitz 00:28, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Martin, I think you are wildly out of line here. Granted the article could be improved, in particular it could be better sourced, but I see no justification at all for blanking it. Sandy Harris 02:01, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Sandy, you are not in possession of the facts, so you will not know why. This has become a serious disciplinary issue involving Howard and the EC. Martin Baldwin-Edwards 02:16, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Where should I look for "the facts"? Sandy Harris 02:55, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Ombudsman

By Article 39 of the Charter, an Ombudsman is available to mediate any dispute. Agreements worked out through mediation shall be binding but may be appealed.

I have been asked to intervene here and on Josef Mengele.

As far as I am aware, I have no conflict of interest, I have not contributed to either article or to any related article, nor have I formed or expressed any view on the merits of the arguments either formally or privately

Do those involved in this dispute agree to my intervention here? My role I think would be to summarise the substantive issues raised, make an interim ruling based on the Charter, and pre-existing policy guidelines, and report to the EC. Are those involved willing that any interim ruling be binding pending future decisions of the EC? Gareth Leng 10:24, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

I have blanked the page again, since I object to the whole tenor of the article, which is deliberately being written to support Howard's position in another dispute. i have referred the matter to the Constabulary and Ombudsman, and this will likely appear before the EC. Martin Baldwin-Edwards 11:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
  1. Jurisdiction and Admissibility, International Criminal Court