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If you look at [[Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol]], one familiar with both can imagine the backup router acting as an AV node backing up the SA node. I've applied epidemiological contact tracing principles to try to look for the patterns characteristic of secondary infection, of multiple infection sources, etc., but gotten relatively little interest. A few network security engineers think of "quarantine", most commonly citing SARS, but don't go into anything like the hierarchy of immunologic responses. Yet, I see parallels in the way we deal initially with distributed denial of service and a nonspecific [[macrophage]] response, while we divert the suspicious flow to analysis and start to develop the equivalent of immunoglobulins (e.g., blackhole routes). Too bad I can't find anyone interested in sponsoring an interdisciplinary team in this area. --[[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 05:09, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
If you look at [[Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol]], one familiar with both can imagine the backup router acting as an AV node backing up the SA node. I've applied epidemiological contact tracing principles to try to look for the patterns characteristic of secondary infection, of multiple infection sources, etc., but gotten relatively little interest. A few network security engineers think of "quarantine", most commonly citing SARS, but don't go into anything like the hierarchy of immunologic responses. Yet, I see parallels in the way we deal initially with distributed denial of service and a nonspecific [[macrophage]] response, while we divert the suspicious flow to analysis and start to develop the equivalent of immunoglobulins (e.g., blackhole routes). Too bad I can't find anyone interested in sponsoring an interdisciplinary team in this area. --[[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 05:09, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:Wow! "...applying biomedical concepts to computer networks..."  If you could give every computer on the network a sophisticated effective immune system, with Darwinian evolution built in, you'd get a ticket to Stockholm.
:I started [[Biological networks]] while reading Dennis Bray's ''Wetware: A Computer in Every Cell''. I'd played with bionets in working on [[Systems biology]].  There I cited:
::Barabási AL (2002) Linked: The New Science of Networks. Cambridge, Mass: Perseus Pub. ISBN 0-7382-0667-9
::Watts DJ (2007) A twenty-first century science. Nature 445:489
::Alon U (2003) Biological networks: the tinkerer as an engineer. Science 301:1866-7 PMID 14512615
::Alon U (2007) Simplicity in biology. Nature 446:497
::Prill RJ et al.(2004) Dynamic properties of network motifs contribute to biological network organization. PLoS Biol 3: e343
::Sporns O, Kotter R (2004) Motifs in brain networks. PLoS Biol 2: e369
::Alon U (2007) An Introduction to Systems Biology: Design Principles of Biological Circuits. Boca Raton: Chapman and Hall/CRC
:I also wrote about bionets in [[Life]] and further in m[[Life/Draft]]. Seemed like biological networks merited its own article.  [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 03:00, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

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 Definition Networks having no human designer, having emerged from nature by organic evolutionary processes, its foundational system a biological cell, the cell a computationally-enabled information-processing bio-computer, designed basically to live and reproduce itself, self-assembling and self-organizing, autonomous, capable of cooperating with other cells to generate multicellular structures that can intelligently design other networks. [d] [e]
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Create start of new article on biological networks

Create start of new article: Biological networks. Anthony.Sebastian 04:26, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Interesting topic

You've actually touched on one of my areas of interest. As you know, I've spent many years working with computers in medicine, but, especially in security and reliability, I've had personal interests in applying biomedical concepts to computer networks.

When the first Internet worm propagated in (umm) 1987?, I watched a lot of very smart people running around reinventing a number of concepts of epidemiology. At one point, I asked one of the best security people around if he had considered the work of John Snow, and got the response of "who?"

If you look at Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol, one familiar with both can imagine the backup router acting as an AV node backing up the SA node. I've applied epidemiological contact tracing principles to try to look for the patterns characteristic of secondary infection, of multiple infection sources, etc., but gotten relatively little interest. A few network security engineers think of "quarantine", most commonly citing SARS, but don't go into anything like the hierarchy of immunologic responses. Yet, I see parallels in the way we deal initially with distributed denial of service and a nonspecific macrophage response, while we divert the suspicious flow to analysis and start to develop the equivalent of immunoglobulins (e.g., blackhole routes). Too bad I can't find anyone interested in sponsoring an interdisciplinary team in this area. --Howard C. Berkowitz 05:09, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Wow! "...applying biomedical concepts to computer networks..." If you could give every computer on the network a sophisticated effective immune system, with Darwinian evolution built in, you'd get a ticket to Stockholm.
I started Biological networks while reading Dennis Bray's Wetware: A Computer in Every Cell. I'd played with bionets in working on Systems biology. There I cited:
Barabási AL (2002) Linked: The New Science of Networks. Cambridge, Mass: Perseus Pub. ISBN 0-7382-0667-9
Watts DJ (2007) A twenty-first century science. Nature 445:489
Alon U (2003) Biological networks: the tinkerer as an engineer. Science 301:1866-7 PMID 14512615
Alon U (2007) Simplicity in biology. Nature 446:497
Prill RJ et al.(2004) Dynamic properties of network motifs contribute to biological network organization. PLoS Biol 3: e343
Sporns O, Kotter R (2004) Motifs in brain networks. PLoS Biol 2: e369
Alon U (2007) An Introduction to Systems Biology: Design Principles of Biological Circuits. Boca Raton: Chapman and Hall/CRC
I also wrote about bionets in Life and further in mLife/Draft. Seemed like biological networks merited its own article. Anthony.Sebastian 03:00, 13 January 2010 (UTC)