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| Gareth has rewritten it, so I'm reverting. [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 16:31, 9 March 2008 (CDT) | | Gareth has rewritten it, so I'm reverting. [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 16:31, 9 March 2008 (CDT) |
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| == Mr. Sanger has forbidden me the moral right to be recognized as the author ==
| | The original author of this article has requested (see his user talk page) that this article be deleted. I am willing to do so, provided that no one who has worked on it here disagrees. If you would prefer that we retain this article here, that is our right. Please let us know. Otherwise, we will delete it after a few days, or as soon as the collaborators have each replied. --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 19:41, 9 March 2008 (CDT) |
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| Mr. Sanger has forbidden me the moral right to be recognized as the author (even with a link abroad)...
| | I've deleted the second half, which containes the orignal author's own translations. The rest I think has been written through by several others, and I think should remain.[[User:Gareth Leng|Gareth Leng]] 03:55, 10 March 2008 (CDT) |
| | | :Yes, keep the new version. [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 04:03, 10 March 2008 (CDT) |
| :From: Larry Sanger <.....@.....>
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| :To: <georgeos@antiquos.com>
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| :Subject: RE: Calcidius
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| :Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 13:42:57 -0400
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| :P.S. Further, I am issuing a standing warning. You are not to cite your own work, or write on any topics connected to Atlantis. Again, if you do, I will immediately ban you. You've been warned.
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| : -----Original Message-----
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| : From: Larry Sanger [mailto:......@.......]
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| : Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 1:22 PM
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| : To: 'georgeos@antiquos.com'
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| : Cc: 'Larry Sanger'
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| : Subject: Calcidius
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| : Importance: High
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| :Mr. Díaz-Montexano,
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| :After further examination of your work on the "Calcidius" article, I am
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| issuing you a formal warning, as Editor-in-Chief.
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| :As you must recall, I made it a condition of your being included in this
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| project that you would not write to promote your own work. However, you did
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| *precisely* that in this article, including links to your own work and even
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| referencing yourself in the article.
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| :If by tomorrow morning you do not remove all references to yourself and your
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| own work from the "Calcidius" article--and no one else does so for you--I
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| will be banning you from the project.
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| :Lawrence M. Sanger, Ph.D. | http://www.larrysanger.org/
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| :Editor-in-Chief, Citizendium | http://www.citizendium.org/
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| == My reply ==
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| Mr. Sanger:
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| I have not published any articles about my investigations about Plato's Atlantis, but about Calcidius simply to deal with the issue about the origin of Calcidius mandatory use pieces of Timaeus, which shows the tracks which confirm the origin more accepted, because it is the only one that appears in the codices, the subscriptio, namely the fact that he could be a archdeacon of Ossius Bishop of Cordova.
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| I have been obliged to refer to my name (once in the entire article (and a couple of times in footnotes), for the simple reason that the entire article is an original creation of my intellectual property, which I published my Official Website for more than a year, and have even used as part (with my permission) other encyclopedias. I am very disappointed at the way you are treating me. Usted me being discriminated against even as author.
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| Well, if my name could not appear anywhere in the article, nor a simple link to my original article on my Website, then Citizendium not authorize the continued use my article to make any derivative work, as my article is protected by copyright, and myself as I am the absolute owner of moral rights and legal Calcidius about this article about, I can authorize its publication and its use (even to make derivative works in an encyclopedia as Citizendium), but I can also suspend or prohibit that right.
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| It is absolutely unfair, even illegal, that the author of an article is compelled to renounce their moral right to recognition as an author. And that is what you are calling me. Therefore, I demand that the entire article and delete all history, and that the existence of history, remains a public presence, and a distribution of my article without my authorization.
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| I repeat, if I am to you I do not have even the moral right to be recognized as author of my own article (which I repeat, is a law at the international level), then why not give permission to continue published in Citizendium, nor authorize that keep doing is a derivative work of my article.
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| If you want to write an article about Calcidius, they will have to start from scratch, and any paragraph, stock, passage or sentence, which is similar, or it can be demonstrated is a modification or conversion of my original article will be considered (as This moment) an act of violation of my rights and my copyright moral rights as author.
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| I could have been an excellent partner, because it could have written many articles of high quality scientific articles (hundreds) in matters very little known, and in areas where there are few specialists, and they do not have time to work on projects any kind wikipedias (like Citizendium) nor as advisers nor as a publisher, but his contempt for myself, simply by not being a professor of prestigious University graduate in a major, and not having my name in front of a few letters as PH.D., or Dr. (and perhaps because of Spanish origin, and born in a third world country), I have managed to feel deeply humiliated and despised by you. | |
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| Therefore, I am deeply disappointed because I thought that would be a different project Citizendium, fairer, more humane and more free, more democratic and, now I see that I was wrong ...
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| I offer my most sincere apologies for all the trouble and displeasure that my presence in Citizendium may have created you. I wish you much success and a long life, and that you can someday achieve your goal of overcoming Wikipedia.
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| Regards, --[[User:Georgeos Díaz-Montexano|Georgeos Díaz-Montexano]] 16:40, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
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| I simply want to make a few very brief notes and corrections; I do not wish to draw this out into a public debate. First, from the mere fact that the article is "an original creation of [your] intellectual property," it does not follow that you may cite yourself in the article. We have a [[CZ:Policy on Self-Promotion|policy against self-promotion]]. In no way whatsoever is it either unfair or illegal (anywhere) to disallow a person from citing himself, of course: that all depends on the system/publisher. Moreover, once you submitted your article to the ''Citizendium,'' you released it under the CC-by-sa license: see [[CZ:License]]. This gives us the right to continue to use it, if we wish, without your permission. On the other hand, we might not want to continue to use it; I will leave that to the people who have been working on it. --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 17:00, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
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